The Marvelous Simplicity of China Shill Logic

B: 'This is mass rape': China slammed over programme that 'appoints' men to sleep with Uighur women - NZ Herald

« As part of the "Pair Up and Become Family" programme, Han Chinese men stay with and sleep in the same beds as Uighur women.

According to the Chinese Government, the programme is designed to "promote ethnic unity".

But to Rushan Abbas, a Uighur activist whose family members have been detained in the Xinjiang camps for more than a year, it's nothing more than systemised rape – part of the Government's brutal ongoing crackdown against the country's ethnic minority. »

A: People would criticise the NYT for using anonymous sources and then they would accept anonymous sources when it suits them.

"The reports came out after an anonymous Chinese official gave an interview with Radio Free Asia"

Me: are you referring to the trump debacles?

People criticised nyt for using anonymous sources without corroboration who were later found to be talking rubbish

A: then the same skepticism is not applied here?

Me: You haven't been following the news about the uighers I take it

A: I compare the western version with other sources. Many westerners who moved and lived in China will tell you how the western media are bias fake news.

There are people who do extensive researches. I can show you the original allegation of 1 million people and how they do their estimate, and how not to do the estimate in such a way.

Xinjiang - Lets talk about it - 我们来谈谈关于新疆 - YouTube

Me: The leaked CCP documents are pretty telling. And there're many westerners who live(d) in China who can attest how bad it's become

Why I Changed my Opinion on China - YouTube

A: You may as well link a China Uncensored video. The fact is that he blinded saying there are concentration camps in Xinjiang meaning that he has done no homework and just using the western talking points to get clicks.
He also goes with the western media's view of HK which is completely different from what is going on. Maybe you believe it when you wanted to believe.
Always look at local media when it is about another country.

This is back in 2002 when the US classified the ETIM as a terrorist group. 17 years ago.

EASTERN TURKISTAN ISLAMIC MOVEMENT | United Nations Security Council

Me: we all know pravda told us the truth about the USSR!

A: Believe what you wanted to believe.

Me: I guess that's your motto

A: I have a big list of evidence but I am not going to bother because I have seen enough people ignorant of the truth. The anchoring bias will always the hurdle for some. .

Me: "Believe westerners who live(d) in China when they tell you China is good. Don't believe them when they tell you China is bad"

It's amazing how easy it is to arrive at a conclusion when you've determined it beforehand

A: Did the video you state actually going into anything about Xinjiang? No, those are talking points. I criticise him not doing any homework. If you are in any way curious about ETIM then you will want to look up further about this Al-Quida linked terrorism network in Xinjiang.

I bet you never considered the relative distance between Xinjiang and Afganistan because it is most likely you don't even know where it is.

Me: Not sure what going into xinjiang has to do with what the video is saying. Have you been to xinjiang?

I've read accounts of people who visited xinjiang which are consistent with what we know from the "biased" western media. I know you'll just dismiss them though I admit I have a certain morbid curiosity about how you'll twist and turn in that case.

Going by your logic, we should trust the testimony of people who live(d) in xinjiang even more than people who've been there. Yet I'm sure you don't believe all of the uighers who have told of what is happening there because it clashes with your narrative.

Not sure what you're ranting about on the distance between xinjiang and Afghanistan

A: "Not sure what you're ranting about on the distance between Xinjiang and Afghanistan" meaning you just wanted yap about things and not actually doing any homework of how so many people got radicalised.

If you read the accounts of the ETIM then ofc it will confirm the western propaganda.

Me: Ah. I see.

You think some uighers being terrorists and China is repressing the uighers as mutually exclusive propositions.

I guess that explains why you think one must have a binary view on China. That it's either good or bad.

Don't think I can save you from your manichean world. Maybe someone else can try.

A: Whatever.

Me: thanks for confirming that if I'd tried it'd have been a waste of my time


The video the China shill linked (with the white guy talking about the Xinjiang camps) claims that only terrorists or potential terrorists are kept in the camps.

Ironically, the white guy admits he suspects but doesn't have any evidence about what goes on inside the camps - and even then he thinks the truth is between what China claims and what the West thinks (i.e. they're not entirely innocent).

So the video is not as favourable to the China shill's position as he thinks.


In summary, China shill logic seems to be:

Some Uighers are terrorists. Therefore extreme measures against all/most/many Uighers - even those who have nothing to do with terrorism - are justified.

Ironically, this would justify mass repression against ethnic Chinese outside of China as possible fifth columnists.


Unsurprisingly, A looks to be an ethnic Chinese - indeed a Chinese national who now lives abroad.

In the pipeline is a post exploring why many ethnic Chinese are uncritically pro-Chinese Communist Party.