Hearing What Black Voices Really Say About Police - "Philonise Floyd’s earnest call for reform has been drowned out by an elite-driven narrative about race relations that is empirically weak, counterproductive, and not reflective of most black Americans’ attitudes and wishes... black women in the same age bracket are killed by police at roughly 5 percent the rate of black men; surely if police killings were driven solely by racial animus, then black women would be victimized at a much higher rate. Despite the racial disparity in rates, a study of police-involved homicides between 2009 and 2012 shows that whites constituted a majority (52 percent) of victims. What explains “state violence” against whites? All in all, the evidence paints a murky picture, though still a troubling one. Too many people—including whites—die at the hands of law enforcement, but black men and women are much more likely to be killed by civilians and certain diseases than by the police. Polling data suggest that most African-Americans do not share Collins’s bleak view of their experiences. In a 2019 Pew survey, 44 percent of blacks reported being “unfairly stopped by police” because of their race; 54 percent said, “No, has not happened to me.” In a Monmouth poll taken after Floyd’s death, 44 percent of African-Americans reported that they or an immediate family member felt “harassed by police,” but a majority did not share this experience. When asked, “How satisfied are you with the job your local police department does,” 21 percent said “very satisfied,” 51 percent said somewhat satisfied, 12 percent said somewhat dissatisfied, and only 5 percent said that they were “very” dissatisfied. These results do not suggest a complete endorsement of contemporary policing, as many blacks report negative interactions. Yet nearly three-quarters of surveyed African-Americans report themselves satisfied with their local police departments... Polling from New York City in the immediate aftermath of Eric Garner’s death in 2014 is telling. In response to an open-ended question asking them to name the “most important problem facing New York,” only 6 percent of all respondents in a Quinnipiac University survey of New York City voters listed police, and only 1 percent mentioned racism or race relations—far behind the economy, housing, crime, and education as issues of topmost concern. When asked if “being the victim of police brutality is something you personally worry about,” 53 percent of African-Americans said “no” and 46 percent said “yes.” Still, a clear majority of African-Americans (56 percent) described “police brutality” as a “very serious” problem. Another 34 percent called it “somewhat serious.” Among blacks, the approval rate for the New York City Police Department was low: only 35 percent approved while 59 percent disapproved. Yet, when asked about “the way the police in your community are doing their job,” 56 percent of African-Americans approved, and 41 percent disapproved. Though nearly all blacks called the police actions that took Garner’s life inexcusable, they were split on the details of the encounter. The poll asked, “If someone were selling loose cigarettes in a neighborhood, would you want police to ignore that behavior or try to make that person stop, even if it means arresting that person?” Forty-six percent of black respondents said, “Try to stop,” and 46 percent said “ignore.” Another question asked, “If a person tells police they are not going to allow police to arrest them, should police walk away or use whatever amount of force is necessary to arrest the person”? Only 20 percent of black respondents said that police should “walk away.” Fifty-four percent said, “use necessary force.” None of this is new. In a 1970 Vera Institute survey of residents of the predominantly black neighborhood of Bedford-Stuyvesant, we hear familiar complaints about police... These grievances notwithstanding, these respondents wanted more police presence, not less, in their community... Though aware of, concerned about, and opposed to “state violence,” African-Americans are far more worried about bread-and-butter issues, like jobs, housing, education, and health care. And public safety is also a bread-and-butter issue. Black people consider violence and some street crimes threats to their pursuit of the good life, as they define it. At times, they have even endorsed draconian measures and aggressive strategies to meet that threat. Instead of relating these comprehensible complexities, “explainers” at Vox and opinion pieces in major newspapers have doubled down on a deeply flawed pop sociology that demands the erasure or marginalization of these black perspectives. We are witnessing the embourgeoisement of racial politics. A reading public not long ago captivated by Hillbilly Elegy is now obsessed with White Fragility. Each day, college-educated millennials race to social media to practice the rituals of wokeness by condemning various cultural artifacts as racist and policing the discourse. Statues are coming down, and the “b” in black is being capitalized. Corporations, private schools, and major philanthropic organizations are declaring that “black lives matter.” Elite institutions have committed themselves to a theory, program, and performance increasingly detached from the aspirations, worldviews, and everyday concerns of millions of blacks. Activists have secured pledges to “defund” or “dismantle” police departments, but black Americans haven’t received concrete, alternative public-safety plans to curb violence. Most African-Americans clearly desire police reform over abolition. They echo Philonise Floyd’s mournful call. Their perspectives deserve consideration. Any “antiracist” movement that disregards how working and middle-class African-Americans define and pursue the good life is not worth its name."
Thread by @RichardHanania on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App - "There's this PC argument on the right claiming inner city communities want tougher policing, it's just those white liberals who want to "defund the police." It ignores the grass-roots political behavior of these communities. Same reason the right also blames rioting on the media Yes I know about the polling, which shouldn’t lead us to override everything we know about activism, protests, and politics in these communities. Polls are narrowest kind of evidence of what people want. I discussed this with @robkhenderson and @ZachG932.
It’s funny how even anti-wokes need a narrative of black innocence and white guilt to make their arguments. Let’s ignore actual election results because they tell a different story. But I’m sure people will find a way to blame whites for Larry Krasner. phillytrib.com/news/local_new… “Support for Krasner spanned Black voting districts in North, South, West and Southwest Philadelphia… Meanwhile, the majority of support for Vega was limited to the primarily white neighborhoods of Northeast Philadelphia and River Wards section.” Let’s not just look at polling data that tells us what we want to hear either. Here’s one showing blacks only have a 40% approval for the police, compared to 59% of Hispanics and 68% of whites.
How about support for tough on crime policies? In 2012, it was found that 57% of whites in NYC supported stop and frisk, 53% of Hispanics, compared to 25% of blacks. About half of blacks say the prison system, policing, and courts have to be "completely rebuilt" so they can be treated fairly. If you think that means getting tougher on crime, you're delusional. 40% of blacks say that criminals spend too much time in prison, compared to 25-26% of other races. Only 17% of blacks say criminals should be locked up for longer, compared to 36% of whites, 34% of Asians, and 28% of Hispanics.
I could go on. Again, Americans of all ideology need a narrative where whites are to blame. Liberals blame "structural racism," while conservatives blame white liberals. Our racial taboos are very strong, and conservatives and liberals have more in common than they think. On Alameda County, which had two black candidates: "Voters who live in higher-crime areas tend to favor advocates of criminal justice reform, while people living in suburbs with lower crime rates tend to support people promising crackdowns on crime." sfchronicle.com/election/artic…
It's hilarious people keep bringing up Eric Adams. Yes, black voters vote on race first and foremost. Wanting gov to be soft on crime is secondary. When the race is black vs. black or white vs. white, every case I've seen has blacks more in favor of the pro-crime candidate In San Francisco, Chesa Boudin was recalled by a "coalition of Asians and wealthy whites." Why was Boudin recalled? "Black voters, who played a key role in keeping progressive DAs in Philadelphia and in Chicago in office, make up only 6% of San Francisco’s population."
Ah I see people have pulled the "low turnout" cope. What evidence would these people accept? I'm sure somewhere deep in the ghetto there's a missing black voter who just happens to agree with you, a tough on crime twitterer, you just have to reach him. Good luck on your journey. If you think you're more in touch with what black voters want than their own elected officials, the way to prove your theory is to run tough on crime candidates and see how they do in black areas. But it's been done, and we have data. But you're in touch with "real" black opinion"
Daniel Friedman on X - "A lot of people don’t realize that Chauvin is like 5’7 and weighs about 160 pounds. Floyd was 6’3 and 340, resisting arrest, refusing to get in the police car and completely out of his mind on drugs. Chauvin was trying to maintain control over a very large, potentially dangerous suspect. Chauvin had no idea how badly Floyd’s decades of hard drug abuse had damaged his heart, or how fragile Floyd was as a result. Floyd’s death was unfortunate, but it was not a crime and people like him occasionally suffering health crises due to the stress of being subdued and arrested over their resistance is a perfectly acceptable and inevitable occurrence when you actually police and enforce law and public order."
FBI fires agents seen kneeling in iconic photo during George Floyd protests five years ago | CNN Politics : r/Full_news - "Disgusting that they’d fire them for being human."
"It falls in line of code of ethics violation. You cannot, under any circumstances, show or give the impression (as any reasonable observer would see), of impartiality. The act of kneeling, while on duty, is an act of impartiality that cannot be displayed. It became a refusal to maintain a safe and secure environment."
"Sooo… the director of the same agency wrote a children’s book depicting the current president as the king. Would you count that as impartial or cuckoo bananas level of partiality? https://a.co/d/evh6sAN"
If you support the left wing agenda, you are just "being human" and anyone who thinks government agents shouldn't show political bias is a disgusting person. Of course, if a government agent does something the left disapproves of, that's "fascism"
Clearly, doing something on your own time before you were hired for a job is exactly the same as doing it while working and representing the government
Philonise Floyd Sheds Tears For His Brother George While On The Stand In Chauvin Trial - "Philonise Floyd described growing up in a poor area of Houston with George and their other siblings. "He used to make the best banana mayonnaise sandwiches. And he used to make the best syrup sandwiches because George couldn't cook, he couldn't boil water," he said."
Why big business loves Black Lives Matter - "One reason Black Lives Matter is so difficult to talk about, and it elicits such a vast range of reactions, is that no one can pin down exactly what it is. No decent human being could disagree with the assertion that the lives of black people matter – and if they don’t currently, then they should. But to agree with the claims made by protesters, activists and campaigners marching under the banner of ‘Black Lives Matter’ is a different question entirely... Confusingly, there are a number of organisations claiming to represent ‘Black Lives Matter’ in some capacity. Khan-Cullors is involved with two: the non-profit BLM Global Network Foundation and the for-profit BLM Global Network. (To make matters even more complicated, another big recipient of donations intended for BLM is the Black Lives Matter Foundation, which has no relation to either of these entities and promotes a diametrically opposed line on the police.)... There are many layers to this relationship. There is the immediate branding boost companies can gain from associating with BLM. According to an Edelman survey of 35 countries, 64 per cent of customers say they would reward firms for taking a stand on social issues. Brands like to win over consumers young so they can stay loyal for life – and many young people are uncritically supportive of BLM. Woke politics has also been useful for firms hiding all kinds of unsavoury practices. Many firms will proclaim allegiance to BLM one day, while lobbying against curbs on forced labour the next, for instance. Indeed, whether you take the Marxist view, that all firms in a capitalist system exploit labour anyway, or the Adam Smith view, that sellers in a marketplace act out of self-interest rather than kindness, it is surely hard to take any company’s proclamations of righteousness too seriously. But there is more to all this than cynicism and wokewashing. Many of the ideas about race being pushed by BLM – particularly the ubiquity of structural racism – are now part and parcel of corporate culture and the white-collar workplace. Race experts are invited to give workshops and training on diversity and inclusion. Employees are tested for their unconscious bias. An entire race industry worth billions has mushroomed. The most famous and sought-after race entrepreneurs, like Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X Kendi, can earn vast sums of money in the corporate sector – sometimes tens of thousands of dollars per hour. Those BLM protesters setting fire to police stations were not radical revolutionaries — they were more like the militant wing of the human-resources department. Why has this happened? Clearly, these kinds of workshops are wasting precious work hours and don’t actually produce anything that can be sold. Perhaps what is most useful to the capitalists in these ‘anti-racist’ campaigns is their relentless attempts to re-racialise society. The Coca-Colas and the Nikes of the world are very keen on highlighting the racial differences between working people at every opportunity. According to leaked emails, insiders at Amazon-owned Whole Foods consider the ‘racial diversity’ of its workers in each branch an important metric in determining how likely they are to form unions. Campaigns for ‘racial awareness’ seem almost perfectly designed to foreground apparent differences between their employees, to pit the ‘privileged’ against the ‘oppressed’ among the workforce, to downplay their common interests as workers. The potential for racism in the workplace – whether overt or in the form of microaggressions – has also given management much more authority to monitor workers’ interpersonal relationships, and even their private lives and political activities (particularly on social media). Race has always been relied on by elites to divide and manage people. But where they once drew on racist tropes, now they draw on ‘anti-racism’. That one of the co-founders of BLM is earning a fortune and amassing a property empire is not a bug but a feature of elite-driven racial politics. Black Lives Matter is the best thing to happen to capitalism in years."
From 2021. The Uighurs definitely support BLM taking the heat off the companies benefiting from their forced labour
Why is Twitter suppressing criticism of Black Lives Matter? - "Jason Whitlock shared a link to the story that Patrisse Khan-Cullors, one of BLM’s co-founders, had purchased a $1.4million compound in Topanga, LA. This is reportedly only the latest in a string of high-end buys by Khan-Cullors. Whitlock, a black journalist, tweeted that black people make up just 1.4 per cent of the town’s population, adding mockingly that ‘She’s with her people!’. Twitter then deleted the tweet and locked his account on the spurious charge that he had broken privacy rules. A screenshot shared by another journalist shows that Twitter told Whitlock, ‘you may not publish or post other people’s private information without their express authorisation or permission’. In other words, you are not allowed to do journalism. Whitlock told the Daily Mail that ‘BLM is one of Big Tech’s sacred cows’. He said, ‘I’ve been harping on the fraudulence and the financial grift of BLM for years’... This case is highly reminiscent of Silicon Valley’s suppression of the Hunter Biden scandal."
From 2021
13+ Studies Indicating No Police Racial Bias + Counterpoint Studies
Meme - On Charlie Kirk: ebbi @itsNOTebbi: "Reminder- George Floyd was also a father and not a single one of you gave a rats ass about his children."
Tony Moon @RoofKorean7: "Neither did he, so what's your point?"
Meme - Andrew Branca Show @TheBrancaShow: "The legitimacy of the "knee on back" technique used by Chauvin upon Floyd was known at the time of the trial--the police academy training manual with the photos of the "knee on back" technique was in evidence. But the entire trial--and I watched every minute of it--was an exercise in racist anti-white hysteria, with a single defense attorney fighting night- and-day against arguments and motions being made and filed continuously by more than a dozen prosecuting attorneys, many of them who volunteered and flew in from out of state for the sole purpose of participating in this lynching of Derek Chauvin."
"Ok they are in handcuffs now what.
.Sudden cardiac arrest typically occurs immediately following a violent struggle
Place the subject in the recovery position to alleviate positional asphyxia
Once in handcuffs, get EMS on scene quickly to monitor and transport
Sign a transport hold on these individuals
Complete a CIC report"
Fischerking @Fischerking64: "So the restraining technique Chauvin used was a taught practice in the police department - more than 50 officers say so. want to know why this wasn't part of the trial, why it wasn't reported by the media. Did no one try to find this out? Were they intimidated to silence?"
Daniel Friedman on X - "During the George Floyd “race reckoning,” US cities implemented “police reforms” that scaled back traffic enforcement, which progressives believed had a racially disproportionate impact and caused dangerous encounters between black people and cops. This killed 20,000 Americans."
Thread by @KatieDaviscourt on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App - "Breaking: I am in Seattle covering the first major trial against the city related to the 2020 Antifa-BLM CHAZ/CHOP. The City of Seattle is accused of negligence in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Antonio Mays Jr., a 16-year-old black teen who was shot dead inside the Antifa autonomous zone. Seattle Police had abandoned the East Precinct to rioters, and then officers were prohibited from entering the zone— resulting in numerous cold-blooded killings during the 24 days of sustained violent anarchy. The lawsuit claims that the city’s failure to provide adequate protection and response to violence in the CHAZ zone contributed to the death of Antonio Mays Jr. Would the teen still be alive if SPD didn’t forfeit the precinct? Was CHAZ really a “Summer of love?”... Antonio Mays Jr. was shot dead on June 29 around 3 am while driving a vehicle inside the CHAZ with his 14-year-old friend, who was shot in the head but survived. Witnesses reported that armed protesters guarding the barricades (CHAZ security) opened fire on the vehicle. Video footage taken directly after the shooting shows militant protesters rushing to pick up spent shell casings, tampering with the evidence: “Hell yeah, no evidence!”
Seattle police did not respond to the scene until hours later due to safety reasons. A large mob of protesters had violently confronted officers when they were responding to a separate CHAZ killing a few days prior, according to video evidence. No ambulances arrived on scene. As a result, protesters shoved the two critically wounded teen victims into separate vehicles and drove them to medical care. CHAZ warlord Raz Simone, who was self-designated head of security and got caught on video distributing firearms to minors inside the zone, transported the surviving teen victim to a nearby hospital. Other protesters, transporting Antonio Mays Jr., attempted to chase down an ambulance, but it drove away. City medics met with the protesters in a parking lot roughly 25 minutes later. Antonio had already died by that time.
The lawsuit claims that Antonio’s death was the result of Seattle enabling “state-created danger.” Additionally, the complaint mentions former Democrat Mayor Jenny Durkan referring to the violent deadly uprising as a “Summer of love.” The complaint states that Antonio Mays Jr. "was shot and left to die without the assistance he was entitled to by the government." It further claims that he "was alive and conscious after being shot inside the City-created Capitol Hill Occupied Protest area." It also states that the teen "was shot and bled out while trying to escape, while being barricaded at the ‘CHOP’ or ‘CHAZ’ area in the city of Seattle, which the city abandoned without a working plan to provide essential services, creating a danger." The City of Seattle’s defense strategy includes allegations that Antonio Mays Jr. was driving a stolen vehicle, claiming he was committing a felony at the time he was killed. However, the other side has countered that argument claiming that vehicles were being passed around for “security” to patrol. Seattle Police has not yet arrested a suspect in this case. Witnesses told police that the shooting was allegedly committed by CHAZ security, which consisted of armed protesters that included members of the John Brown Gun Club, the Antifa terror group’s militant security arm...
The jury pool appears to be an ideological mixed bag; however, the majority stated during questioning that they supported the 2020 anti-police BLM protests. Some of them said they participated in the CHAZ/CHOP protests, and made it clear that they dislike Seattle PD. Some of them stated that they have strong feelings about this case, as it involves the death of a minor. When asked about the defense's strategy in claiming the victim was committing a felony and shouldn't have been prone to medical care, many of the jurors expressed distaste. A few jurors said that they thought the CHAZ protests were criminal and thought Seattle PD abandoning the precinct to rioters was unfortunate. These jurors said that they do not like going to Seattle because they feel unsafe in the city."
Andy Ngo on X - "A civil trial is starting in Seattle where the family of a black teen killed in the 2020 BLM-Antifa CHAZ is suing the city for allowing the violent anarchy. The victim and another black teen were fired upon when they were in a car by CHAZ’s “border security” who believed they were Proud Boy “white supremacists.” CHAZ security had their comrades pick up the spent rounds after the shooting and no one was ever apprehended."
Left wingers are outraged that Kyle Rittenhouse had a gun, but in CHAZ/CHOP, anything went
Oklahoma Black Lives Matter leader indicted for fraud, money laundering - "A federal grand jury indicted the leader of the Black Lives Matter movement in Oklahoma City over allegations that millions of dollars in grant funds were improperly spent on international trips, groceries and personal real estate, prosecutors announced Thursday. Tashella Sheri Amore Dickerson, 52, was indicted earlier this month on 20 counts of wire fraud and five counts of money laundering, court records show."
Policing the Police: The Impact of "Pattern-or-Practice" Investigations on Crime - "This paper provides the first empirical examination of the impact of federal and state "Pattern-or-Practice" investigations on crime and policing. For investigations that were not preceded by "viral" incidents of deadly force, investigations, on average, led to a statistically significant reduction in homicides and total crime. In stark contrast, all investigations that were preceded by "viral" incidents of deadly force have led to a large and statistically significant increase in homicides and total crime. We estimate that these investigations caused almost 900 excess homicides and almost 34,000 excess felonies. The leading hypothesis for why these investigations increase homicides and total crime is an abrupt change in the quantity of policing activity. In Chicago, the number of police-civilian interactions decreased by almost 90% in the month after the investigation was announced. In Riverside CA, interactions decreased 54%. In St. Louis, self-initiated police activities declined by 46%. Other theories we test such as changes in community trust or the aggressiveness of consent decrees associated with investigations -- all contradict the data in important ways."
Aka the Ferguson Effect
James L. Nuzzo, PhD on X - "George Floyd's name appeared in the titles or abstracts of 243 biomedical papers indexed in PubMed between 2020 and 2024."
There Is No Greater Political Blunder Than Progressives Calling For Body Cams : r/TrueUnpopularOpinion - "I am convinced that the progressive push for body cams is the greatest political miscalculation of all time. When progressives and reform advocates pushed for body cameras, the underlying assumption was that constant video monitoring would expose systemic abuse, racial profiling, and unlawful uses of force by police. The expectation was that transparency would confirm their narrative and erode public trust in police departments. But in the most spectacular backfire in history, in practice, the body cam programs produced the opposite effect. Footage frequently vindicated officers by showing that suspects resisted, attacked, or escalated confrontations with weapons. Studies found that in a majority of controversial incidents, video either supported the officer’s account or at least complicated simplistic narratives that officers were the aggressors. And juries and the public, when shown footage, often sided with officers once they saw the context missing from short clips or secondhand testimony. Ultimately, progressives armed their opposition with undeniable evidence (videos) that undermined their own case. They institutionalized transparency in a way that ended up strengthening, not weakening, law enforcement’s legitimacy. And, what was meant to be a reform weapon turned into a shield for the very institutions they wanted to weaken."
Of course, the cope is that they turn it off when they want (the best data I found was 92% of use of force incidents being captured by 2H 2015, and it was on an upward trend) and review footage when writing reports so they can't be caught lying (as if what's in a report changes what happened in the past)
Drew Hernandez on X - "A black man attempted to shoot this single mother in her home with her kids in the apartment She called the police and the shooter got shot and killed by police BLM then shows up to support the shooter and call the victim a liar and a b*tch"
Minneapolis police shoot, kill man after 6-hour standoff in apartment building
Zonie🌵🌴 on X - "I'm tired of people saying Police Officers need more training. You had 18 years to train your child not to steal, shoot, stab, burn down buildings, laser people's eyes, flip cars, block traffic and attack people. Police didn't fail you, you failed your child!"
Thread by @DanFriedman81 on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App - "During the George Floyd “race reckoning,” US cities implemented “police reforms” that scaled back traffic enforcement, which progressives believed had a racially disproportionate impact and caused dangerous encounters between black people and cops. This killed 20,000 Americans. The open border policy of Joe Biden, which let in millions of unvetted migrants from Central America, also contributed to skyrocketing traffic deaths over the last five years. These people are on our roads driving on fake licenses, and without auto insurance. Democrat-governed cities have sanctuary politics that bar police from checking the immigration status of drivers involved in accidents, even fatal ones. The increase in traffic fatalities over the last five years is especially shocking because new cars have revolutionary new safety features that prevent accidents and make accidents less likely to cause fatalities. But policy is killing people faster than tech is saving them. Of course, progressive policies always disproportionately harm the people they’re trying to protect, and “reforms” to traffic enforcement that were supposed to protect black people from dangerous encounters with cops caused a lot of black people to die in traffic accidents. The number of white traffic deaths increased 4% in 2020. The number of black traffic deaths increased 23%. abcnews.go.com/Politics/traff…"
San Francisco General Hospital fatal stabbing: Community mourns social worker Alberto Rangel as tragedy reignites safety concerns - "The community gathered to mourn outside Zuckerberg General Hospital Sunday evening, with candles in hand for 51-year-old Alberto Rangel, the UCSF social worker who died after being attacked by a patient earlier this week... "Members have been raising safety concerns for a long time. Workers have been complaining about safety for years. This is something that should never have happened," Suarez said. The suspect is now in sheriff's custody. The attack happened in the HIV ward of the hospital, a ward that does not have a metal detector. Hospital staff had already raised safety concerns about a patient and requested deputy protection after a doctor in Ward 86 received threats. according to the union. The deputy was in a nearby room when he heard a disturbance and saw the patient in the hallway stabbing Rangel with a kitchen knife."
Luckily there were no police in the room at the time. If the patient had been killed, that would've been an unspeakable, horrible tragedy and further proof that the police need to be "defunded"

