This will probably be the last History Extra Podcast Quoting links post.
Alcatraz: everything you wanted to know | HistoryExtra - "‘Today we kind of use prison and jail interchangeably and throughout history we've used these terms interchangeably but they're actually distinct types of facilities with important differences. So prisons are places where we use to punish people convicted of serious crimes with long periods of confinement whereas jails serve a lot of different purposes but they're generally intended to be short-term holding tanks for a variety of people including people who haven't been convicted of a crime … while islands offer that useful isolation, that's the main attraction that we think of island prisons, that isolation makes it really difficult to run a prison so for example on Alcatraz there's no source of fresh water so that water has to be you know shipped in or brought in somehow which makes it very difficult and then there are added difficulties of just being so close to the ocean. So the sea water and the salt in the air, that's really corrosive. That actually came in handy for a couple of escape attempts because just the materials of the prison were disintegrating so badly and then another factor is even though there's a lot of fresh air and the islands are usually quite picturesque, you have a gorgeous view of San Francisco and the surrounding *something* County on the other side from Alcatraz. Islands tend to be cold and miserable which is attractive if you're thinking about a very punitive style prison but it's also going to be really terrible for the prison staff’...
‘Alcatraz is an outlier… Alcatraz was basically designed to clean up the mess that was the federal prison system at the time and in the United States we have a long history of turning to some prisons or sometimes just part of our existing prisons to fix problems that the main system just can't handle. So throughout history we usually turn to some sort of punishment on the grounds of the prison usually this would be some version of the hole or dark cell, various names for where prisoners would do additional solitary confinement usually on a bread and water diet for a period of days or weeks. Later when states started to build more than one prison for the whole state we developed different security level prisons so we would have a minimum security prison, a medium security prison and a Maximum Security Prison, and the idea there was that you would take the worst prisoners and put them into the maximum security prisons and you would take the kind of lowest level offenders, those who were least likely to recidivate, kind of isolate them from the kind of notorious bad prisoners. But the funny thing is the security levels didn't actually match up to the populations, we would just shuffle people around based on not their dangerousness but just how much of a pain they were for for the wardens. So if warden didn't want to deal with a particularly annoying prisoner they would just transfer them to a different security level, never mind what that security level actually was. So today we've continued that tradition. We have the supermax prison, so supermax which is short for super maximum security prisons so minimum, medium, maximum, super maximum. So these are prisons where prisoners spend about 23 hours a day in solitary confinement and Alcatraz is actually oftentimes called the first supermax which, I don't agree with that label, it's it's not quite right because Alcatraz didn't really use a lot of solitary confinement it definitely didn't use it routinely for most prisoners. So some prisoners would be in solitary but not the majority. But what Alcatraz and the supermax do have in common is both were ostensibly reserved for the worst of the worst prisoner. So today's supermax is often described as being reserved for the Hannibal Lectors of the world. But most people who ended up in Alcatraz or who end up in a supermax tend to be ordinary criminals who were just kind of pains to deal with rather than you know some criminal mastermind... Half of the men who spent time in Alcatraz never returned to the prison after the release um and the number was even higher after the early years so it's known as the Gangster Era so these men who were ostensibly incorrigible recidivists actually weren't'"
Medieval medicine: everything you wanted to know | HistoryExtra - "‘If we were in the medieval period if you and I were there who would we expect to be treated by?’
‘Yeah well the first thing to say is probably not a doctor usually. So doctors’ services were very expensive. And also in many instances I think you'd be pretty sort of certain that they wouldn't be necessarily the right person much as I think today you wouldn't go to your GP with a dental problem, you'd go to your dentist. So there was a range of practitioners with specialisms. So barber-surgeons are a really interesting group because they were were much more omnipresent, their services were less expensive and they were skilled in doing a number of hands-on things. So physicians generally didn't touch the body. They might touch you to take your pulse but usually they were kind of advising you and hearing your case history and so forth. A barber surgeon would do a number of things such as um stitching a wound, cutting your hair, applying a plaster. Many things that were involved close contact with the body, and those those individuals were very important and might you know have their own specialisms. And there might be people with with very niche specialisms such as pulling out teeth for example.’"
An African perspective on the history of Africa | HistoryExtra - "'I was surprised by the richness of the continent's history and especially by the history of the country where I was born, the Sudan, which has a thousand pyramids. Egypt has 100. A thousand in Sudan, although only 300 preserved their superstructure. So I was really quite blown away by the statues of the kings of ancient Sudan and the tombs and some of the artifacts and so on so'"
Highwaymen: everything you wanted to know | HistoryExtra - "‘What's really interesting is that highwaymen began to participate in their own self-promotion. They actually realize that their reputations will be enhanced and their chances of avoiding punishment were enhanced if they could have good stories about them told, so they would work with people who wanted to write their biographies or they would sit in the 18th century. They would sit to have their portraits done so that those positive images of them would be circulating… the ideal Highwayman certainly in the 18th century was a gentleman or had genteel behaviors. He was polite, chivalrous. He robbed without any actual violence. He may have threatened violence but he wouldn't commit it. He would stop a coach, he would hold a pistol to it with one hand but with the other hand offer his hand to let the ladies step out of the coach onto the ground and they could surrender their valuables. He was always apologetic, I'm very sorry I have to do this but it's necessity that requires me to do it. And he left them a bit of money so that they could continue their journey without difficulty… the surprising thing is how many positive representations existed [in literature]... Their whole aim was to present themselves as above the common criminal. They were not an ordinary low and degraded criminal. They were actually genteel. They came from respectable backgrounds, it was just unfortunate they'd fallen on hard times and they needed to support themselves. And as a gentleman you wouldn't work for a living, that's not what gentlemen do. So instead they would rob for a living’"
Graffiti's golden age: radicalism & romance in the 18th century | HistoryExtra - "'For most of human history really up until the early modern period at least in Europe there was a sense of graffiti being instead part of everyday life. It was something that everyone partook in. Everyone would do, in their own homes, in churches, so in the medieval period in Britain we would have everyone from the priest down to the the lowliest poorest member of the parish leaving a mark, things like carved crosses, other Christian symbols, merchants’ marks. Things that were versions or iterations of those people's individual and sort of community beliefs. You know leaving your Merchant’s Mark you might be sealing some kind of business deal for example and often we find these in in the porches of churches and around columns inside and that kind of thing. So it's something that's always been there people have always wanted to leave their mark and there's a real sort of human urge from the very first cave paintings really to do that'"
David Lloyd George: life of the week | HistoryExtra - "'The Germans invade neutral Belgium which gives Lloyd George and indeed many other people if you like who call it a justification or you call it an excuse to support the war because again Belgium, a nation which actually has got its own massive Empire in Africa and is acting in an incredibly oppressive way against the population of the Congo, for example. Nevertheless is presented as one of these small nations on which Liberals are so fond of, they’re sort of supporting their rights and so that when you put it in this frame of the Germans trampling over this plucky little Belgium then that gives Lloyd George and many of his supporters although not all of them this cover if you like to move to supporting what is really a kind of a fairly conventional great power conflict'...
in 1940 where he really doesn't have a party any longer, the only people who were loyal to him are basically MPS who are members of his own family either directly or through marriage and he's not got a party and yet he's actually discussed seriously by some people as a potential prime minister at the point where Neville Chamberlain resigns in May after the Norwegian crisis. And so I don't really think that was ever a runner but it's kind of remarkable what he should still have been discussed by anybody in those terms so long after he'd fallen from office and I think that ultimately is a tribute people's continued belief in his ability on the basis of his record in World War I"
Benjamin Franklin: life of the week | HistoryExtra - "‘Is there any great figure in history who didn't have some deep flaw. And I came up with Joseph Haydn as being somebody who was a complete genius and also incredibly nice. But I'm afraid I think that's a great rarity, and I'm afraid Franklin did have a bit of a flaw and that was the treatment of his wife Deborah’"
The Magus: enlightened magician or Renaissance charlatan? | HistoryExtra - "'Alchemy actually works in a physical sense it's one of the great discoveries of history, historians of Science in the last couple of generations… [Some] have recreated alchemical procedures and it turns out that Alchemy is metallic crystalline chemistry and it works quite well if you can just understand the recipes. And so that is an independent tradition which also goes back to Antiquity but it keeps intersecting with the magical tradition. But the big difference is it works which is one reason why Newton and Boyle and Hooke are still really interested in alchemy by, at a point when they've really given up on astrology and many of the other characteristic pursuits of the Magus. Astrology is the great predictive art of the premodern world. Uh it still of course flourishes, supposedly polls show that more Americans believe in astrology than in any version of Christianity. But I don't think that's a very strong kind of belief’...
‘The other thing I think we have to understand is the very theatrical world and people have a lot of will to, for suspension of disbelief, and that's part of the way the Catholic Church works. You know, there are many many convents you can go to where the rood is a statue which will move, and will move its head and move its arms. And the people going are very sophisticated, you know 15th, 16th century people, but in that place, they're willing to suspend disbelief and see something miraculous happen. And I think that that also works for a skilled Magus and performer with charisma that you know, people suspend disbelief and they'll go along with what you're doing. And I'm afraid we still do this too. I mean to anybody who has lived through the rise and fall of Elizabeth Holmes and Sam Bankman Fried, it's impossible not to see that a bit of charisma and a good line of patter can get you a long way even now'"
The Spartans: Everything You Wanted to Know | HistoryExtra - "‘Come back either with it or on it. Meaning come back victorious with your shield which is the key item of defensive armor that a Spartan warrior would use or dead and on top of the shield carried by your comrades. Actually Spartans were buried on the battlefield, they weren't brought back home, so the saying is no doubt made up’...
'[On Leonidas] The 300 he chose, very interestingly not his usual royal bodyguard… he chose 300 specially men who already both were married and had fathered a living son. So there's some point here about the future that these 300 won't necessarily survive Thermopylae, but their children will come up to avenge them and to be their, their successors as it were. And I think Leonidas deserves enormous credit for the psychological warfare as well as the physical bravery that he displayed'"
Inside a Jim Crow asylum | HistoryExtra - "'I was shocked to find that there were patients at Crownsville, one woman brought there for the crime of having cut a white person off in traffic. She ended up at Crownsville for decades. Another patient named Mr Bell that I write about who is discovered by one of the first black employees to get there in the 1950s, it turns out that he's been there for years, he he complains to the new Black employees that he hasn't seen the sun, he hasn't seen the sky, in years… Mr Bell was picked up by her own supervisor, her own boss, in Baltimore with the authorities one night because they had overheard him using a British accent and they didn't believe that there were black people who could have British accents. They just couldn't imagine that world, that way of being. And so they assume he's crazy and bring him to Crownsville. Well it turns out that this man had actually been born in London and had been a jockey, had come to America and fallen on hard times, and had no relatives or friends to really fight for him and get him out of Crownsville'"
Ancient Greek theatre: everything you wanted to know | HistoryExtra - "‘Women were not allowed on the stage… you have a very strange situation where a lot of Greek tragedies give you these very powerful women who are out in the public eye, who are doing sophisticated, powerful things, running the show. And that's very very different from the way we understand life to have been for women in Athens at that time, right. Women in Athens lived a very cloistered domestic life and really didn't have public rights of any kind that that we can see, except maybe for priestesses’"
History Behind the Headlines: student protests down the centuries | HistoryExtra - "'[Reagan] basically thought these students were being subsidized heavily to behave in a deeply antisocial way. Reagan once famously said that a student meaning a California student was a person who talked like Tarzan, looked like Jane and smelled like cheetah, who for those who don't know is the chimpanzee in the Tarzan movies. But that connection between the you know mass growth of higher education in the US and in California in particular was also tied up with the politics of the time, protests against Vietnam, the Hippie movement and of course the contrast between a kind of expansive Democratic party and a Republican party which even then was beginning to move towards a sort of more free market small government vision which Reagan of course became an exemplar of’"
The Tattooist of Auschwitz: is it ok to fictionalise the Holocaust? | HistoryExtra - "'Spielberg making the film has to convert it into moral parable, a moral lesson as it were so in fact all the historical records show that Schindler continues as a corrupt businessman before and after, didn't affect his character at all, he was always having affairs with women. The film prettifies this by showing him reconciling with his wife which he in fact did didn't do at all according to the historical record. And there is this constant temptation to draw moral from from the Holocaust. And there’s some other cheap tricks in Spielberg’s film, you know the women are herded into a shower room which is usually what the gas chambers are disguised at and then to their amazement you know water starts spouting in and it really is a shower room. I think it's a really cheap cheap trick...
Bernhard Schlink’s novel The Reader for example which is made into a powerful film starring Kate Winslet. This young boy has an affair with an older woman and it's through her asking him to read literary texts to him and he later discovers that she was a prison camp guard in in the Holocaust and she's illiterate and that is a really I think misleading trick because it's not the case that people became camp guards and SS men and so on because they were ignorant or illiterate. On the contrary the higher up you go in the SS hierarchy the more PhD holders there are. So that's very dubious'...
‘How much of a challenge is it to show something like Auschwitz on screen?’
‘Well it's it's very difficult. First of all you've got healthy well fed Hollywood actors and actresses and so on playing people who in reality were starving covered in lice, ill, sick, brutalized. It can't really convey that on film. There are some rare actors like uh Christian Bale I think is one who does sort of if he's playing somebody who's starving he starves himself and there's a kind of method acting in that but I you can't do it you can't so it's one of the problems of Schindler’s List… then films have to have a beginning a middle and an end and for a lot of people this did not, the Holocaust, you know you can't structure it in that way. So in Schindler's List it ends with Schindler with a group of survivors of his own people who survived because he employed them in his factory, saying he wished he could have saved more. But he didn't, it didn't have an effect to him at all. He just went back to his old ways. His businesses failed and in the end some of them got together and tried to support him but he wasn't somebody who became as ideologically committed to ending the, ending the Holocaust anymore than he became committed to making it up with his wife and stopping having affairs. Essentially his behavior was kind of inexplicable, and films don't like that'"
What a weird interpretation of The Reader
Agent Zo: spying against the Nazis | HistoryExtra - "'The Warsaw Uprising is one of most highly documented battles of the Second World War. The Poles deliberately sent out units of five men with cameras and rolls of film, there were cinefilm taking, they were actually to keep their own morale up playing some of the cinefilm in the cinemas in Warsaw while they were under fire, against a backdrop of machine gun fire from you know down the road. and so some of this information is brought out and the commander sends out five different all men in fact to get to Britain so that the world will know the truth of this battle so that it's recorded... They had this Soviet backed Communist Regime installed who rounded up a number of the senior members of the Home Army and basically imprisoned and executed them in the peacetime even though they've been allies because they didn't want potential resistance leaders against the new regime'"
Galileo: life of the week | HistoryExtra - "‘Galileo's work was compared to many scientists really very accessible and readable and it's still it's still pretty accessible and readable today. Nobody reads for example Copernicus for pleasure. Actually nobody reads Kepler for pleasure either but Galileo actually is quite a readable author and I think that is a an important thing because science has to be accessible to the next generation of people who are going to take those ideas forward’...
'He had three children, two daughters and a son who were all born to his mistress and the two daughters he arranged for them to become nuns… At the time he was on his professor's salary and and he would have been expected to provide diaries for his daughters. He was also as the eldest son responsible for his brothers and sisters as well to the extent that they didn't already have their own families. So by putting into nunneries it meant that they weren't to get married and he wouldn't have to pay the dowries that their social status might have demanded but he couldn't afford'"
The Terror: everything you wan - History Extra podcast - Apple Podcasts - "‘He writes in his notebooks a whole series of things that get called Republican institutions but by people who who've dug them up later on. But they they're focused around this very strange static vision of of essentially rural community, is kind of sort of utopianism that's looking backwards to the classical world really and concerned with personal relationships... Men have to declare their friendships on an annual basis and if you don't have any friends you're not part of the community and you get banished. And then these friends are people who support each other through the life course and dig each other's graves and weep at each other's funerals, sort of sort sentimental diffusions that start coming out then’"
Death and mourning in Britain: everything you wanted to know | HistoryExtra - "‘The Invisible Dead. This was a major project run by our archaeology department and it would ask this question: we can roughly estimate how many people there have been living in Europe over the last 2,000 years. It's guess work but there's a rough estimate. How many graves have we found? Absolutely minimal number. So where are the invisible dead? What's happened to them?’"
The history of museums: everything you wanted to know | HistoryExtra - "‘They also come up with this again quite quickly this very sort of ingenious system in many ways where they categorize their collection as a b and c and a is basically any kind of object that is unique, irreplaceable, incredibly valuable, incredible provenance attached to it they take that straight away. So that moves immediately. B it's you know second kind of priority but they take as much of that as they can and then c is what they decide to leave on display and remain in the site of the museum and that's something you see with a lot of museums across the world at this point, even though there's world war going on they really don't want to actually shut the doors. They really want to still be able to keep part of the museum open to have the public come in and have that respite, which is actually something that museums came back to during the global pandemic in Covid, because it was actually the first time they actually had to close for a lot of them and one of of the key things with a lot of the national museums and galleries particularly in the UK is that they had never even had to do that during the Second World War’...
'The International Council of Museums a few years ago they changed the official definition of a museum or what a museum is. And there was sort of a lot of debate back and forth. I think it was the first time in over 50 or 60 years they changed the definition… the museum is not for profit, it's permanent, it is in the service of society that researches, collects, conserves, interprets and exhibits tangible and intangible heritage, which is open to the public, accessible, inclusive, fosters diversity and sustainability and that operates and communicates ethically and professionally with the participation of communities. So I find that definition incredibly interesting, very positive actually’
Clearly covid was even more dangerous than the Second World War
If you don't push the left wing agenda, you're not a museum
Tudor ladies-in-waiting: the women who served Henry VIII's queens | HistoryExtra - "'Every lady in waiting had her own female servants, but trying to find them in records, you basically can't, unless you found any kind of anecdotal evidence of a name or something like that but otherwise you just have to assume that they've each got a certain number of women around them and leave it at that'...
'They do definitely write letters but usually they don't put the sensitive information in letters which is incredibly frustrating as a historian. It's very common that somebody will write a letter and say the bearer will tell you the rest. So whoever they've given the letter to and said take this to so and so, the letter bearer carries an oral message as well and that has the sensitive information in it. And it's it's so annoying you see that at the end of the letter and you're like Goddamnit, the juicy stuff was not written down'"
Beastly Victorians: the 19th-century fight for animal rights | HistoryExtra - "‘Different species of animals attracted different levels of attention. I imagine that dogs and cats you would expect would be the ones that people were most worried about cruelty to, or is that just a modern expectation’
‘That's half true. I think dogs, less so cats. Actually cats have a bit of a sort of transformation in terms of their perception in the 19 century. They're not really kept as pets that much until about the 1850s. They are kept but they are largely kept to control vermin. Dogs yes though. People definitely felt affection for them although some of them were working dogs as well. But I guess I'd say within even within that category of dogs you kind of have gradations. So pedigree dogs for example dogs that were a particular breed you know like a St Bernard or a poodle, people cared about them if they were owned. If they were pets definitely you get prosecutions for the mistreatment of pets, usually public mistreatment not kind of in people's homes which was a different issue. On the other hand though stray dogs your mongrels were kind of running around the street, people associate them with things like rabies. They're very worried about them... … mammals tend to more attention particularly kind of large supposedly sort of sentient mammals I mean elephants I'm thinking of here in particular. There's an awful lot of concern for like the elephant jumbo when he’s sold to the circus owner PT Barnum in the states… the RSPCA even actually at one point advocates culling tigers in India because it says you they can't be civilized, they're just killing human beings’"
D-Day: Air | HistoryExtra - "'Of the more than 6,000 jumpers from the 101st only 1,000… land on or near their objectives. Major General Maxwell Taylor who's the 101st Divisional Commander ends up in a topheavy group of 20 men including four colonels and a number of other officers. Never quips one of them have so many been commanded by so few'"
D-Day: Sea | HistoryExtra - "'Nobody thinks they're going to destroy a concrete bunker but what they are attempting to do is so traumatize the German defenders that are inside them that they won't be fit for action at that crucial moment when the landing craft are coming in. So there's a huge amount of work for sailors to do before any landing craft ramp touches the beach'"
D-Day: Land | HistoryExtra - "‘The idea of the German Army I think if we're familiar with the old wartime movies and everything is these sort of goose stepping highly trained you know Waffen SS Panzer divisions etc but the truth on D-Day and on the beaches of Normandy was rather different. That many of the German strongpoints, these gun implacements and the machine gun nests that line in the coastline, they were manned by young conscripts, you know many of them schoolboys 16, 17 years of age who had no experience whatsoever of fighting and frankly were absolutely terrified… they just recalled the absolute terror on the morning you know at dawn on the 6th of June of looking out, peering out of their machine gun nests and seeing this vast armada, this Allied Fleet that was coming towards them and realizing that this was the moment of reckoning. You know they all knew, everyone knew that D Day was going to come at some point but they didn't know when and they didn't know where the Allies were going to land… it really was you know a terrifying moment for them as it was for the Allied troops coming in to land’...
'Sainte-Mère-Église… went badly wrong in the sense that men were just scattered all over the place, they were meant to land in specific landing zones but of course they were scattered wildly over the country, country side. And this was both paradoxically good news and bad news. It was bad news because most of the men had no idea where they were and they'd lost all their other their comrades and and weren't quite sure what to do and where they were and their objectives Etc. But it was good news in the sense that the Germans were utterly confused, they were thinking what on Earth are the Americans trying to do here. What happened is that these men were highly trained, they knew what their objectives were, and they began to gather themselves into small little bands'...
'Some beaches were much bloodier than others so we know that on on Omaha itself there were some 2,400 American casualties so they really, it was a really tough struggle to get onto the beach at Omaha. But others were relatively light in casualties so Utah Beach. there was a mere, I say that with some caution, 197 men who were killed… that's extraordinarily light considering they're capturing this you know huge and heavily defended beach. And if you can contrast that with one of the practice runs for D-Day which was Exercise Tiger in which 749 men were killed in the exercise, and yet on the day itself on Utah Beach, 197 were killed'"
Katherine Parr: life of the week | HistoryExtra - "‘Katherine is the most married Queen of England which is quite a sort of a neat fact when she's married to the most married King. But she's married as a teenager to Edward Burr of Gainsboro...
Katherine She's certainly not someone you would ordinarily consider to be royal wife material. She's also of course a widow, so she's not a young virgin. However he tried to marry a young virgin before with Catherine Howard and that obviously turned out to be a disaster. And I think part of Catherine's attraction to Henry is the fact that she's a widow, he's actually passed a law following Catherine Howard's fall that it's illegal for a non-virgin to marry the king without sort of disclosing the fact that they've got a past’...
'Henry has of course broken with Rome, he's made some changes to the traditional Church, particularly publishing the Bible in English, although he does backtrack actually, during his marriage to Catherine he passes a law that makes it illegal for women to read the Bible in English for example and lower status men'"
Boudica: life of the week | HistoryExtra - "'Prasutagus seems to have died sometime perhaps in the winter of AD 59 or AD 60. He left a will to the emperor Nero… he left a will leaving half of his kingdom and wealth to the emperor Nero in the hope that that would satisfy the Romans and the other half to his daughters… his natural inheritors the Romans weren't having any of this'"
A 17th-century scandal & a writer's secret life | HistoryExtra - "‘Henrietta's lover was her own brother-in-law, he was married to her sister Mary Ford, Lord Gray, aged 27 to her 18 years on the day she ran away from her parents' home and vanished into the underworld of London… we have a very good description of Henrietta's physical appearance because her parents… was so desperate to get their daughter back that they took a really unprecedented step and they advertised for her publicly in the London Gazette, and the London Gazette describes her as a young lady of a fair complexion, fair head, full breasted and indifferent to all. Later editions of the London Gazette removed the reference to Lady Henrietta's bosom’"
The First Crusade | The call to arms | HistoryExtra - "‘Western Europe had been plagued with famine for quite some time and with Jerusalem being depicted as a land of milk and honey rich with wondrous opportunity, it seems likely that this could have been a big draw for potential Crusaders. But this expense Natasha mentioned is an important factor when we consider who actually had the opportunity to go on Crusade, and, what they really wanted.’
‘It used to be thought that a lot of the Crusaders were younger sons who are off freebooting, they're not going to get any land because of the rule that firstborn son gets everything. Looking at the documents just how expensive, it was for the first Crusaders to go, on a journey of roughly 3,500 km, and that's if you make it back. We're looking at about four times the average wage of a knight just to be able to afford to go. So the accounts that we have of what people brought back with them, it tends to be relics, pieces of the True Cross. They're not really telling us in great detail about the huge chunk of wealth they brought back with them. There are a lot of accounts of pillaging and looting. But that is more to keep this campaign going, than it is about bringing back a wealth of riches. We do get some accounts from men like Caffaro of Genoa who tell us, oh we came back rich in peppercorns and we all bought 48 celide [sp?] home with us. It's a long way to go, for 48 celide. So we can probably say that the freebooting younger sons is on its way out, as a theory. But it is one that has persisted for quite some time’"
The First Crusade | On the road | HistoryExtra - "‘It’s easy to focus on the fighting force and perhaps overlook the large number of non-combatants performing auxiliary roles in the background and according to Natasha this has proven to be one of the most enduring misconceptions surrounding the Crusades’
‘My kind of take on the legacy of the Crusades is this particular fascination with the hyper masculine concept of the Knight Crusader. This idea that this was the most uber manly man of the medieval period and that that's what a crusader is, when in fact, if you look at the makeup of crusade armies, only, what, six to possibly 10% of them were Knights. The rest were ordinary people. Women, sometimes children, clergy, siege engineers, sailors. All sorts of people are involved in crusading activity. The image of the Knight Crusader is one that's been handed down to us through retellings. First of all in medieval chronicles, then romances, then art in the 19th century. Crusade memes now. There's an instant recognition amongst people at a popular level of what a crusade is but it doesn't bear out what a medieval Crusade necessarily was about’"
The First Crusade | Crossing into the unknown | HistoryExtra - "'If you want to look at the demographic and the political reality of the Levant, it's extremely extremely diverse. On the one hand, the overwhelming population in what is today Eastern Anatolia, Eastern Turkey. Today Syria, Palestine, were Christians. And that's often not considered when you are talking about the Levant. You know, we we say the Crusaders invaded the Islamic world. What do we mean by the Islamic world? Is this because of the people were Muslims or is this because the Muslims were ruling it? Actually it's because the Muslims were ruling it. The majority of the populations were Christians in large cities and in the rural areas. And here Christians you have the Orthodox, you have lots of Arabs who have been Christians for a long time and they remained so. But most of the populations were not of Arab Origins. They have Armenians. You have lots of Syriac speaking people. These were traditionally non-Arabs. They lived there before the coming of the Muslims to occupy this part in the 7th century and these were varieties of Orthodox sects, Orthodox Christian sects. And if you move southward you might come in into contact with people who might follow actually the Greek Orthodo, or the Byzantine Orthodox church. So that's on the Christian front. On the Muslim front, the large number of Muslims in what we call Syria, greater Syria. That is Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, and Israel today, the majority of the Muslims were actually Shiites. Three different types of Shiites were living there. The Sunnis had a presence, but their presence was very sporadic and probably only in and around major cities like Damascus. So that, this is the kind of reality and when the Seljuks came, in, starting in 1071 and they controlled this geography, even as Sunnis, they were practicing a form of Sunnism often is we call it Hanafi Sunni Islam that wasn't either present or powerful in that area. And they directly came into problems with the local Sunni populations who practised other forms of Sunni Islam. Especially for instance in the city of Damascus... The division between Sunnis and Shiias or the division between Sunni and Shiias is blown out of historical reality… that it's not true that Sunnis and Shiias were always enemies of each other. For instance the Fatimids at one point during the Crusader period they hired Sunnis to be their Prime Ministers so to speak. And we have equivalent in say in the Abbasid Court. The Abbasids were Sunnis and sometimes they hired Shias as their lead ministers… cities like Bagdad were largely, the Muslims there were either Sunnis or Shiias and they coexisted. Damascus was divided between Sunnis and Shias. Aleppo Etc. So there are large periods of Islamic history where Sunnis and Shiias lived together without necessarily killing each other but there were other moments when there were religious tensions… my opinion this division of Sunnism and Shiiaism when it comes to the Crusader period largely has no relevance in terms of explaining why certain things happens. It can explain other things in terms of context, reception, reaction to the Crusades, the reality of the Muslim world...
There’s the Turkish garrison, they're there for 6 weeks and the Byzantines then say, why don't we talk? And the fact is this is perfectly normal in the Middle Ages. I know Hollywood movies always love you know scenes where cities are taken by storm and people swarming over the walls with ladders and siege engines and all the rest of it. That was quite rare. If a relieving force didn't turn up it was expected the garrison normally did surrender'"
The First Crusade | Besieged | HistoryExtra - "'The other problem the crusaders had with starving cities into submission was that these were big cities and there were never quite enough Crusaders to really, do a tight blockade. It's very rare that a Crusader Army can besiege a city and then stop everybody going in and out. So for instance even in the Siege of Antioch, where the Crusaders um were there for months. At no point were they able to stop supplies going in and out. They were able to hinder them, but people could always move out and around. So once you've realized that you can't starve them into submission, you then have to go to less subtle and more violent, ways. And at its most simple, you can do an assault...
The city of Antioch had only been uh taken over by the Turks in 1086, it was it was only in Turkic hands for 11 years, their population was still Christian. Even when the Turks had taken it over it was only taken by treachery. So treachery is a, is an important ingredient in the toolbox of how you capture cities'"
The First Crusade: the end or the beginning? | HistoryExtra - "'[On the capture of Jerusalem] The Christian chronicles made a big deal of of a massacre. Sieges that end without a surrender, are, very bloodthirsty and that's true in Europe, it's true in the Middle East, and I think that's one thing to bear in mind, is that what happened to Jerusalem was not a, necessarily a rush of fanatical religious hatred or racial hatred. It was of a magnitude which was the same when a European city was captured under siege and without surrender. That was the ghastly rules of war the other thing, that's since become known is that the chroniclers were vastly exaggerating. So the massacres were supposed to be total in fact weren't that at all.'...
'Contrary to what contemporary chroniclers wrote we do know that many members of the Jewish Community were also ransomed after the massacre'...
' They killed everybody and went and asked the Muslims to bury their Muslim coreligionists. Wait a minute where did you bring those Muslims to bury other Muslims? So when you start looking at the details you realize oh wait this doesn't add up. Someone is inventing a story about a massacre that they want to use in order to show off. And by the way Muslim historians from a century after, they became aware of that Christian narrative, Crusader narrative and they adopted it. And, but they adopted it in order to fuel the Islamic resentment. Is very utilitarian, extremely powerful. They are repeating it also for specific agendas'"
Death by nostalgia: the curious history of a dangerous emotion | HistoryExtra - "‘There's an amazing fact in your book which is there was one Swiss milking song that was deemed so nostalgic that singing it among Swiss mercenaries was punishable by death’...
'Absolutely and particularly among soldiers...obviously you need your armies to be fighting fit, you need them to be well, you need them to not be lying around wistfully pining for their home. And so anything that could provoke nostalgia was seen as a real threat not just to the individual well-being of the soldiers but to the kind of whole military effort. And you have similar things in the US during the American Civil War. There was also injunctions against you know there were all these songs like home sweet home that were also cautioned against because they were worried that it would put soldiers off their form, kind of it would make the war effort less effective'...
' In the early 19th century in France where lots of babies were sent away to wet nurses, so not so much the initial sending away because they were so tiny but when they'd come back to their real parents they were effectively leaving the only people they'd ever known to be parents, the wet nurses and there were all these cases of babies being diagnosed with nostalgia or little children that you know were desperately sad and it's it is kind of tragic to think that you know of course they'd be hugely unhappy at the thought of not being able to see their standin mother ever again'
'It can actually be used to improve your well-being so there are all these studies now that are done that kind of try and invoke nostalgia in people trying to make people feel nostalgic as a kind of therapy, as a kind of therapeutic intervention. And they say okay well if we make people feel nostalgic, you know nostalgia is a very social emotion, will make people feel more connected with each other, it will make them feel better about themselves. It'll make them weirdly and kind of you know paradoxically more confident about the future and more positive and optimistic. There are also studies that suggest that nostalgia can make people more creative and that is supposed to improve memory, improve social connectedness, lessen their anxiety, lessen symptoms of depression’"