Mark Carney on X - "The Canada-China relationship has been distant and uncertain for nearly a decade. We’re changing that, with a new strategic partnership that benefits the people of both our nations."
Tristin Hopper on X - "I'm trying to think of a Liberal principle that *isn't* betrayed by this. It betrays Ukraine. It betrays their supposed love of the climate and the world's oceans. It erases any lip service they've ever given to human rights or the rule of law. It's evil, is what it is."
Melissa Chen on X - "Many pro-democracy Chinese liberals who end up immigrating to Canada are often stunned by the strange misalignment of the stated progressive beliefs of the Liberal Party with their warm embrace of the CPP, an authoritarian regime that governs in opposition to every value that progressives claim to hold dear. I believe Trudeau accidentally blurted out part of the truth back in 2013. Carney isn't far off - he too admires the China model and he's supercharging its implementation in Canada."
Isaac Stone Fish on X - "Many Chinese Canadians are far more hawkish on China than their non-Chinese descent peers. They often know the country better, and they often understand the problems with the Chinese Communist Party. Politicians need to be very careful in implying that diaspora Chinese want closer relations with China. It's disingenuous and dangerous."
Rick Perkins on X - "It’s amazing how all the Carney Elbows up crowd who want everyone to buy Canadian are cheering 70,000 EVs coming from China and displacing Canadian and North American assembled cars and crushing our auto industry jobs. Hypocrites much?"
Carney’s China pivot raises risks for Canada’s democracy | Toronto Sun - "Walking through Lafayette Park and across the north side of the White House on Monday afternoon, there was the usual gaggle of people taking selfies. There were also the usual protesters, people with signs reading “not my president” and of course given the recent news, protesting ICE in Minnesota. Regardless of who is in the White House, there are always protesters outside expressing their displeasure with the president of the day. Across Washington you can see signs of support for Donald Trump and signs of opposition. Democracy, despite reports of its demise, is not dead in America. When Mark Carney arrives in Beijing to meet with President Xi Jinping there won’t be any protesters outside as he arrives. No one will hold up signs that claim Xi is not their president and if they tried, they would be arrested or worse. It’s important to keep these distinctions in mind as Carney travels to China to “pivot” our trading relationship away from the United States.To many Canadians this is welcome news since they see the United States under Donald Trump as being authoritarian, dictatorial, against democracy and an unreliable trading partner. Every single one of those descriptions already applies to China and yet in reaction to the election of Trump our elite class want to embrace an actual authoritarian dictatorship that has already snuffed out democracy in Hong Kong and is threatening to do so in Taiwan... Many Canadians will be old enough to remember Nortel, at one point Canada’s biggest tech success. The company was taken down in large part due to Chinese industrial espionage designed to hurt Nortel and help Chinese firms. Ask anyone who has been involved in joint ventures with Chinese firms. Often, once the technology from the Canadian firm has been transferred to China, the Canadian firm is eventually cut out. On direct trade on current issues such as canola, China is an incredibly unreliable partner. They disrupted trade back in 2013-14, they slapped tariffs on Canadian exports in 2017 and had a two-year ban starting in 2020 over the arrest of Meng Wanzhou, the heiress of Huawei. Their push for cheap electric cars, heavily subsidized by the Chinese government is all part of a plan for industrial dominance. Flood the market with cheap product, take market share, undermine domestic production, leave Canada dependent on Chinese made products — that is the plan in a nutshell... “China has never threatened our sovereignty,” is the common retort from those defending the move. Of course, China has threatened our sovereignty and continues to do so. They have meddled in several of our federal and provincial elections to ensure the outcome of their choice. They have established secret police stations to intimidate Canadian citizens, especially those who have immigrated from China — a move that puts Beijing’s power in the heart of Canada. In our Arctic, China continues to ignore our sovereign waters and probe throughout our territorial waters with both ice breakers and ghost ships. But sure, China never threatens our sovereignty. It’s also a country that threatens democracy. They took Hong Kong from a beacon of freedom to a police state rather quickly, even imprisoning people like Jimmy Lai who dared to speak out. They continue to repress Tibet and Uyghur Muslims and are threatening the independence of Taiwan. As Prime Minister Carney is heading to China, two Liberal MPs cut their trip to Taiwan short so as not to anger President Xi and the other dictators in Beijing. Trump and his policies are a challenge for Canada, no doubt about that. To pretend that he is running a dictatorship that we can’t possibly work with while cozying up to China is beyond ridiculous."
When you just hate the US and Trump. This is like how "pro-Palestine" left wingers love it despite it embodying almost everything they otherwise hate
How Carney's trip to Beijing struck a surprising new tone with China - " The Carney government says its taking precautions in its dealing with China, described by Canada’s national security agencies as the most sophisticated and able threat actor facing the country. Carney said Canada discussed its expectations and “red lines” with the Chinese government last week with respect to foreign interference and other public safety issues. He also promised that the government was going into this new “strategic partnership” with “clear eyes” and guardrails preventing China from investing in certain sensitive industries. He recently cited artificial intelligence and critical minerals as examples. But will that be enough to prevent China from continuing to be the most sophisticated and prevalent cyber and foreign interference actor against Canada, as described by Canada’s national security agencies? In the meantime, the public service’s concerns about security while in China were certainly obvious from the start of the trip. One hour before Can Force One entered Chinese airspace Wednesday, all public servants and political staff were required to power down their usual work and personal devices and stash them in a Faraday bag. While in Beijing, they all used “burner” devices, which were promptly returned as soon as the delegation’s plane left Chinese airspace Saturday. There’s no need to use burners in Qatar and Switzerland — the next stops on the eight-day trip — showing that not all allies are on equal security footing."
What they’re saying an independent Alberta would look like - "Prime Minister Mark Carney gave a press conference announcing that Canada would “increase cooperation” with Chinese law enforcement in order to “better combat narcotics trafficking, transnational crime, cyber crime and money laundering.” According to Canadian law enforcement, a disproportionate amount of all those categories can be blamed on the very Chinese authorities Carney is looking to partner with. As one of several examples, the Chinese military was the chief suspect in a devastating hack of the Canadian telecom firm Nortel. More recently, a Canadian subsidiary of the state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China was identified as a habitual violator of Canadian money laundering regulations."
Thread by @MichaelKovrig on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App - "What to make of PM Carney’s first official visit to China? This was never just a courtesy call. Xi Jinping framed the visit as a “turning point” because the CCP wants concrete things from Canada, including market access for its hypersubsidized EVs, stable energy supplies, and geopolitical deference. With Canada–U.S. relations under strain, the General Secretary smelled blood in the water and seized a moment of increased leverage. Carney secured limited relief for farmers and reopened dialogue channels, but Xi kept his pressure tools and is sure to keep using them. So Canada needs to treat this as a rope-a-dope in an ongoing trade slugfest, and redouble its efforts to reduce dependence on China by diversifying markets for vulnerable sectors. And it needs a plan for how its domestic car industry and cybersecurity defences will cope with Chinese EVs. Guardrails for national security, sovereignty, political interference, and harm to Canadians will need to rise. More on this in my conversation with David Cochrane on @CBCNews @PnPCBC. Full video link here:"
Tristin Hopper on X - ""All Carney did was sign a trade deal. Everyone trades with China." That's not what he did, though. It's literally on video that this isn't what he did. It's international headlines that this isn't what he did. Do you idiots even listen to yourselves?"
BTN1973 on X - "Everyone conveniently leaves out the security cooperation and New World Order part. I told my wife that today (she's left of centre) and she was actually very concerned with the pivot to China. She listens to CBC daily and had no idea about the security part of the conversation."
Brian Forbes on X - "Not a lot of people have called a trade agreement "the new world order"..."
Meme - Mark Carney giving Trump an upturned finger: "CANADA WILL Never BE THE 51T STATE!"
Mark Carney hugging Xi Jinping: "WE'RE CHINA'S 24th PROVINCE"
Meme - "Communist China:
Interferes in our elections
Places bounties on Canadians' heads
Sets up secret police stations on our soil
Kidnaps our citizens
Steals our tech
Tariffs our goods
Donald Trump:
Made some 51st state jokes
Also tariffs our goods"
WHY ARE THE CARNEY LIBERALS MOVING TOWARD CHINA?"
Melissa Chen on X - "It's funny how so many libs are hailing Carney's WEF speech as one of the greatest political speeches ever. Here's a recap:
> He described the old post-WWII order as a "useful fiction" propped up by US hegemony, now over, requiring middle powers to band together, diversify dependencies, and prioritize withstanding coercion from larger powers
> "They'll buy insurance, increase options in order to rebuild sovereignty – sovereignty that was once grounded in rules, but will increasingly be anchored in the ability to withstand pressure."
> "We accept what's offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating. This is not sovereignty. It's the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination."
Carney's speech uses sovereignty as a central, muscular theme in a way that feels unusually nationalist and realist for a WEF setting, which typically emphasizes global cooperation, integration, and stakeholder capitalism. That rhetorical shift from "global rules" to "real sovereignty through resilience and options" and resistance to external pressures sound familiar, don't they? It sounds strikingly like a speech that could have been made by Viktor Orbán who Western libs and Eurocrats have despised for precisely holding these views and running his country this way."
Meaghan Mobbs on X - "This whole thing would be far more credible if he hadn’t just bent the knee to Beijing. How exactly does partnering with China square with his talk of “ad hoc coalitions based on shared values and interests”? Or do his newfound “principles” about standing up to great powers and no longer tolerating violations of international norms apply only to the United States? China has waged a far more aggressive, years-long pressure campaign against Canada itself, including intimidation and targeting of Canadian MPs on Canadian soil. That record is conveniently ignored. It would also help if Canada weren’t consistently near the back of the pack on NATO defense spending, or if it had demonstrated even baseline seriousness about investing in its own defense. At best, this speech reads as thinly veiled frustration with Trump and the U.S., dressed up as moral clarity. At worst, it will become the “sophisticated” excuse adopted by every wavering Western country looking to justify accommodation with China while outsourcing real risk and responsibility to Washington."
Jason James on X - "I watched this speech in full last night. Here's the takeaway: The EU and it's subordinates (Canada, Australia, etc) are committed to this narrative of Trump as a Hitlerian figure. Carney begins his speech by asserting that the western rules based order was always a façade—which is correct. He then evokes Václav Havel's Power of the Powerless—one of the great dissenting pieces on Soviet era communism. The irony here is insane considering he just signed Canada into a partnership with China—the nation that adopted Stalinist communism and turned it up to a degree that would've even made Stalin sweat—while Canada is adopting much of the authoritarianism in the Chinese system. The rest of the speech is a diatribe against America as the global hegemon. He uses a lot of fancy WEF style phrases like "value based realism", which don't really mean anything other than "we're not afraid to show our hand now." He spends much of his speech justifying the middle powers clinging to the Chinese globalist machine by contextualizing Trump and the United States as global bullies. Which is historically true. But in this context, US hegemony is actually the wall holding back the China-led "new world order" global finance bloodsuckers like Carney and Larry Fink are desperate to introduce. They're all in on China because China's version of communo-fascism (public private partnerships) is the system that will deliver them the neofeudal future they seek (Carney, Fink, Gates, etc as the aristocracy and the rest of us as techno-slaves). I'm convinced Mark Carney was installed as an economic assassin for China. His close financial proximity to the Trump family ($1 billion loan to Jared Kushner via Brookfield) and his connection to London makes him the perfect weapon against the Reagan era free markets Trump is trying to restore. Juxtapose this speech against Howard Lutnick's comments on the WEF economics panel, and you get a full view of what's happening here. Canada and the EU are shilling for China, the United States is trying to isolate the American continent before the hammer drops. The American Empire is messy, but it's far more preferential to what Carney and his China-fueled globalist creep club have planned for us. The world will have a superpower whether we like it or not, and America has to win."
Dean Allison on X - "Carney is wrong. While the overwhelming approval of the chattering class in Canada’s state funded/subsidized media of Carney’s speech was expressed in a planned, coordinated unison, the content of the speech was inaccurate in many respects. Let’s face it: Carney has barely done anything as Prime Minister since he was elected last April. Whatever little he’s done is overshadowed by his performative and drama inducing rhetoric, very much like this speech in Davos. Reminiscent of someone? Reality is, the US will continue to be Canada’s neighbour, sharing the longest land border in the world, our closest economic ally, with the most powerful military in the world. These are the facts. Given this reality, where is the desperately needed deal Carney promised by July 21, 2025? Today is January 21, 2026! Is he prioritizing China over the US? Is he aligning with China over the US? Does he think the dictatorship in China is a more trustworthy and reliable partner than the US? Because those are the signals he’s sending out. Another reality. The world started materially changing (yet again) about a decade ago, while successive Liberal governments made things here exponentially worse in domestic and international matters. Guess who was Trudeau’s advisor since 2020? Our current and dear Prime Minister Carney. So, Mr. Prime Minister, spare us the performance for your pals in the state funded/subsidized media with rhetoric only they clap to and approve of. Get the real work done, in reality - you know, where Canadians live and work and raise families. These folks can’t afford homes, and find it hard to buy food. They can barely afford to heat their homes. This is largely because of your advice to Justin Trudeau, Mr. Prime Minister. So go out there and speak with the real people of Canada. In reality. Not the Davos fantasyland you’re used to, Mr. Prime Minister. Land in reality because Canadians here at home are desperate for solutions, while you jet set around the world pretending to understand their struggles, just to get your rich and powerful pals’ stamp of approval."
Carney's warning against U.S. misses mark in Switzerland - "he spoke about how middle powers, which Canada once was, can work together to try to shape the world. “The middle powers must act together, because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu,” Carney said. It’s a good sound bite but also sounds like a slogan, the kind that Carney formerly railed against... Much of his speech was about the great power rivalry that is happening between the United States, Russia and China. The problem is that he was highly critical in the Americans walking away from the international rules-based order while not acknowledging that China and Russia walked away from it years if not decades ago... Sure, the Russians took Crimea from Ukraine in 2014 and did a full invasion in 2022. And yes, China has been occupying Tibet for decades and has oppressed Uyghur Muslims in the Xinjiang district of the company, but let’s be worried about the Americans. As American Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent pointed out at Davos, the Europeans have not stopped buying Russian oil and gas even as Putin wages war against Ukraine. The big problem with Carney’s speech is that he described the Americans as abandoning from the rules-based order while never acknowledging that both China and Russia did the same years if not decades ago. A big part of why Trump was elected is that he promised not to let China and Russia grow at the expense of America. Carney then stated that the rules-based order was dead due to the Americans. “Stop invoking the rules-based international order as though it still functions as advertised. Call it what it is, a system of intensifying great power rivalry, where the most powerful pursue their interests, using economic integration as coercion,” Carney said. The problem is, his warning against the United States would more likely be applied to China. Carney has decided to align our country with China rather than the United States and that is unlikely to play well for us long term."
Harrison Lowman on X - "Why is the Carney government rolling out the red carpet for Chinese propaganda media?... A 2024 National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians report states when looking at covertly influencing Canadian opinion through media, the People’s Republic of China (PRC) has been the “most capable." They found that China is “interfering with Canadian media content via direct engagement with Canadian media executives and journalists.” A 2018 Guardian investigation states, “China is trying to reshape the global information environment with massive infusions of money—funding paid-for advertorials, sponsored journalistic coverage and heavily massaged positive messages from boosters…to exploit the vulnerabilities of the free press to its advantage.” In 2012, Xinhua news service, while operating in this country, was accused by their own employee of “working as agents of the Chinese government" while in Canada, after allegations they had that Canadian journalist spy on the Dalai Lama. They were also accused of attempting to collect the names and addresses of people who protested a Chinese premier in Ottawa. They've since been banned from Parliament military briefings. They deny wrongdoing. In China, foreign journalists are repeatedly spied on, censored, intimidated, with sources often whisked away in vans by government minders. Media tycoon Jimmy Lai was just convicted of sedation and foreign collusion in Hong Kong. Canada currently has no permanent correspondents based in mainland China, nor are we seemingly permitted to. During Carney’s recent trip to China, Canadian journalists admitted they used burner phones for the first time, lest they be spied on by the Chinese government. So...why are we rolling out the welcome mat to Beijing-controlled media?"
Howard Anglin on X - "Great catch, and great point. Carney's deal with the Chinese Communist Party says: "The two sides consented to provide mutual support and convenience for media to work in each other's countries ..." But, because we know that Canadian journalists can't operate freely in the PRC, this "deal" can only redound to the benefit of Chinese state media, to whom Carney is giving more access here in Canada. Why, this one-way deal? Are any Canadian media asking?"
Mark Carney's dalliance with dictators - "Carney’s choice of China as the signature stop on his trip should not surprise avid observers of Canadian politics. Liberal prime minister Jean Chrétien made no less than four voyages to the Middle Kingdom, as part of his legacy-building Team Canada missions to open China to the Canadian market. After the Liberals returned to power in 2015, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau attempted to follow suit, travelling to China twice between 2016 and 2017, before Sino-Canadian relations soured with the abduction of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor the following year. In the intervening time, the Communist Party of China has emerged as the single greatest threat to western democracies. It is a staunch ally of Russia, which has been waging an unprovoked war against Ukraine since 2022 and is threatening its European neighbours, Iran, the world’s leading exporter of terrorism, and North Korea, a nuclear-armed state run by a certifiable madman. China was responsible for unleashing the COVID pandemic on the world and hampering international efforts to determine how it originated. It then used the cover of a global health crisis to crush Hong Kong’s democracy, in clear violation of its treaty with the United Kingdom. It has militarized the South China Sea and is actively threatening Taiwan. All the while, Beijing has been spying on the West, interfering in western democracies, including Canada, and intimidating Chinese expats living abroad. It was less than a year ago that a public inquiry found that China is “the most active perpetrator of foreign interference targeting Canada’s democratic institutions” — a warning Carney seemed to take seriously during the election campaign... Through a combination of subsidies, tax breaks and other policy incentives, China has become a world leader in the production of EVs, controlling roughly 70 per cent of the global market. And it has been accused of dumping excess vehicles, along with cheap metals, in foreign markets at rock-bottom prices, in an effort to further hollow out the West’s manufacturing base. Moreover, Chinese vehicles potentially represent a massive security threat. In the United Kingdom, the Defence Ministry banned Chinese cars from sensitive military sites, and defence contractors have told employees not to discuss classified information in them or connect their mobile devices to their vehicles’ Bluetooth. I personally would have been happy to let Chinese taxpayers backstop Canada’s climate commitments by providing us with cheap EVs — espionage concerns could surely have been assuaged by banning factory-installed transmitting devices — but Canadians and their political leaders need to be clear-eyed about how the Chinese do business. The Chinese government does not make a distinction between politics and economics, or between state and private enterprises: everything it does is designed to further the Communist party’s geopolitical goals and its grip on power. For decades, Chinese spies have been stealing trade secrets from western countries to give domestic industries a competitive edge. The most notable example in this country was a targeted campaign to steal intellectual property from Nortel Networks, which ultimately succumbed to competitive pressure from China’s Huawei Corporation. Despite this long history of state-industrial espionage, western intelligence agencies are only recently waking up to the insidious threat posed by Chinese spies, who simultaneously work to gather information on foreign governments, steal proprietary information from private companies and influence elections in favour of Beijing-friendly candidates. While it makes sense that Carney would want to broker a truce with the world’s second-largest economy, he needs to realize that any gains made by his Chinese counterparts will be intended not just to increase the economic well-being of their citizens, but to achieve global economic dominance at the expense of our own standard of living. China’s share of global manufacturing output increased from five per cent in 1980 to 28.9 per cent in 2023, while America’s dropped from over 20 to 17.2 per cent. In 2000, China’s net exports of manufactured goods was lower than the European Union’s and Japan’s; 23 years later, it had outpaced both, and is now double that of the EU’s. The data clearly shows that its strategy of positioning itself as a manufacturing powerhouse and hollowing out its competitors’ industrial base is working. China’s economy is too large to ignore, and it certainly has to be part of our strategy to diversify away from the U.S. But Carney could have come to China with a much stronger hand if he had first worked to shore up trading relations with our allies. The free trade agreement we signed with the EU a decade ago has still not been fully ratified. We still don’t have a free trade deal with the U.K., despite sharing a king and a constitution based on common principles. Numerous countries — including democratic allies like Taiwan and Ukraine — have applied to enter the Trans-Pacific Partnership, but are waiting in limbo. Working on these files could help open friendly markets to Canadian goods and services, while giving consumers a wider range of non-American products to choose from on store shelves. Most importantly, improving trade relations with these allies would expand the West’s economic clout and help build a broad coalition to counter malevolent actors like China. Instead, Carney showed a distinct lack of imagination, running, like the Liberal prime ministers who came before him, cap-in-hand to China, which is already our second-largest trading partner (not exactly a “new market”), before jetting off to kiss the ring of Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, whose government has for years harboured the leaders of Hamas and, like China, has an atrocious human rights record. Rather than “building strength at home,” the prime minister’s dalliance with dictators will only serve to strengthen the hands of our enemies."
