Canada's foreign student push 'mismatched' job market, data shows - "Canada's recruitment of international students has tilted strongly toward filling spots in business programs, while doing little to meet the demand for workers in health care and the skilled trades, according to a CBC News analysis of federal data. CBC obtained figures from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) showing the fields of education chosen by foreign students who received study permits from Ottawa to attend college or university in each year since 2018. Experts say the figures demonstrate that neither federal nor provincial governments — nor Canadian colleges and universities themselves — focused international student recruitment squarely on filling the country's most pressing labour needs. "What we're seeing with this data is that oversight was really lacking," said Rupa Banerjee, an associate professor at Toronto Metropolitan University who holds the Canada Research Chair in the economic inclusion of immigrants. The figures, which have not previously been made public, show that business-related programs accounted for 27 per cent of all study permits approved from 2018 to 2023, more than any other field. Over that same time period, just six per cent of all permits went to foreign students for health sciences, medicine or biological and biomedical sciences programs, while trades and vocational training programs accounted for 1.25 per cent. Banerjee says the data shows far too many foreign students were lured to Canada for post-secondary programs with little prospect of a good job in an in-demand field. "Instead of really trying to bring in the best and the brightest to fill the labour market gaps that need to be filled, what we're doing is bringing in low skill, low wage, expendable and exploitable temporary foreign workers in the form of students," Banerjee said in an interview... The industries with the highest job vacancy rates and the largest absolute numbers of job vacancies have been generally consistent since 2018, both before and after the COVID-19 pandemic began: construction, health care and accommodation and food services, according to Statistics Canada data. Yet from 2018 to 2023, the growth in the number of international students coming to Canada for business programs far outpaced the growth in any other post-secondary field... At the time, officials from several colleges with large foreign student enrolment told CBC News that they ramped up their international recruitment — at the urging of both federal and provincial governments — to fill the country's need for skilled workers... The Trudeau government was warned about the misalignment more than a year before it finally clamped down on international student numbers. A September 2022 report from RBC questioned whether Canada was doing enough to match its recruitment of international students with demand in the labour force. The report described a "misalignment between the study programs pursued by international students and labour market needs" and called for numbers to rise in health care, some trades and services and education... Economist Armine Yalnizyan, the Atkinson Foundation's fellow on the future of workers, says there appears to have been "no rhyme or reason" to the pattern of international student recruitment. "It's selling a false bill of goods to the [students] that are coming here, because we don't need that many people that have expertise in business," Yalnizyan said in an interview. "We need much closer scrutiny of what skills we are trying to build through our post-secondary institutions," Yalnizyan said... Singh says recruiters for Canadian colleges based in India strongly encouraged students to apply for business programs, telling them that admission to the program and jobs after graduation would be easy to obtain. He says to his knowledge, none of the students in his cohort actually found work in business-related fields... business programs are relatively cheap to run, especially in contrast with clinical and technical courses."
Miller tired of people 'blaming immigrants for absolutely everything' - "Federal Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Tuesday he was “quite tired of the fact that people are always blaming immigrants for absolutely everything,” after Quebec Premier François Legault attributed “100 per cent of the housing problem” to the increase in the number of people arriving on a temporary basis... “The increase in mortgages, in mortgage prices, has nothing to do with immigrants,” he said."
Supply and demand are xenophobic
Marc Miller says he's tired of people 'blaming immigrants for absolutely everything' : r/canada - ""Eventually democratic societies will promote racist assholes to positions of power because they'll recognize their survival depends on it. If liberals won't enforce borders, fascists will, and liberal societies will elect fascists to do that." -Sam Harris"
Marc Miller says he's tired of people 'blaming immigrants for absolutely everything' : r/canada - "It’s sad but as a lifelong ndp voter I probably will be voting ppc this next election. I’d rather a whacko that loves Canada Than a nice person who is willing to watch it burn to the ground"
Millions of Canadians would rather be somewhere else - "Barely a decade after British Columbia was emblazoning its licence plates with the slogan “best place on Earth,” a new poll finds that one third of the province doesn’t want to live there anymore. And British Columbians are not alone. Among the many bad economic indicators plaguing Canada right now, one of the more prescient is that millions of Canadians would rather be somewhere else. An Angus Reid Institute survey of British Columbians released on Monday found 36 per cent agreed with the sentiment “I’m seriously thinking of leaving British Columbia because of the cost of housing here.” Similar polls have emerged from Canada’s major urban centres. In April, a Leger poll commissioned by Postmedia found that more than half (54 per cent) of Metro Vancouver residents have considered moving out of the region — with 24 per cent “very” or “somewhat” likely to leave within the next five years... Last year, a report by the Ontario Real Estate Association found that more than 40 per cent of recent post-secondary graduates were thinking of leaving the province due to affordability concerns. As far back as 2018, another Angus Reid Institute survey found that 58 per cent of renters in the Greater Toronto Area would consider leaving if they could. The cited reason at the time was high shelter costs, which have increased dramatically in the six years since the study was conducted. The average Toronto renter was paying $1,370 per month in 2018, according to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation. As of the latest count, that had risen to $1,830. These sentiments appear to be playing out in real time, as Canadian migration to the United State reaches new highs. New figures from the U.S. Census Bureau found that 126,340 moved to the United States from Canada in 2022... About 50,000 of this exodus were Canadian-born, with the rest being a mixture of American expats returning home and Canadian immigrants pulling up stakes for greener pastures. Even though Canada’s rate of in-migration remains at all-time highs, it has corresponded with a notable increase in disappointed newcomers who immediately start making plans to leave. In March, a survey of recent immigrants by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship found that as many as one fifth of respondents wanted to leave. Among recent immigrants under the age of 34, 30 per cent said they were “likely” to leave within the next two years... The post-COVID years have seen a wave of interviews in Canadian media with recent immigrants expressing their shock at how expensive it is to survive in their new home. Oleksii Martynenko, a refugee from the war in Ukraine, told a Bloomberg News reporter in November that he’s needed to work seven days a week just to afford basic and shelter. “I’m tired all the time now. I want to go back to Europe because it’s such a difficult life in Canada,” he said. In February, a feature by the BBC noted the phenomenon of the Indian state of Punjab receiving a return tide of one-time migrants to Canada. “Everything was so expensive. I had to work 50 hours every week after college, just to survive,” was how one 28-year-old Punjabi described his life in Toronto. He was one of a dozen “reverse migrants” who told the broadcaster that the “Canada craze” was over. Amid high numbers of Canadians wanting to live somewhere else, they also don’t seem tremendously pleased with where they’re working. In March, a report by the recruitment multinational Hays found that 71 per cent of Canadian workers wanted to leave their jobs within the next 12 months, as compared to 61 per cent who had said the same the year before."
NDP, unions urge Trudeau to introduce program letting undocumented migrants stay - The Globe and Mail - "The NDP urged the government not to cap the number on who could apply."
What passes for a "workers' party" these days
The economics of Canadian immigration levels - "In the hope of addressing chronic labour shortages and sluggish economic growth, the Canadian government plans to increase immigration in the coming years to per capita levels not reached since the 1920s. We argue that economic immigration in the Canadian context should aim to boost GDP per capita in the full population including the newcomers. We then examine the potential for increases in Canadian immigration levels to achieve this objective. Our analysis suggests that Canada is not well-positioned to leverage heightened immigration to boost GDP per capita owing primarily to weak capital investment and quantity-quality tradeoffs in immigrant selection. We conclude by providing a framework for identifying the optimal level of economic immigration...
Economics research suggests that interpersonal comparisons among the people we most closely associate matter more in determining satisfaction with one’s personal income than comparisons with oneself in the past (Clarke, Frijters and Shields 2008). This suggests that with time in the host-country the relative deprivation of newcomers in the host country may be more important in determining their sense of economic well-being than their economic gain from migration. Consistent with this idea, longitudinal data reveals Canadian immigrants’ self-reported health status tends to decrease with time since arrival in Canada (Fuller-Thomson, Noack and George 2011), as does their likelihood of reporting they would not make the decision to come to Canada if they had to make the decision again (Houle and Schellenberg 2010)... A social welfare function (SWF) is a method of aggregating individual well-being in a population into a single number to evaluate the desirability of social policies. No reasonable SWF will imply immigration is socially optimal if it increases inequality in the population and makes the population poorer on average. What is too often overlooked in appeals to the immigration surplus is that it rests critically on the exclusion of immigrants from the host-country’s SWF. This might be justifiable in the context of a guest worker program, such as that in the United Arab Emirates, but it is in our view anathema to the ethos of Canadian immigration and egalitarianism and the reality that new Canadian permanent residents have full access to all the rights and privileges of individuals in the existing population, including citizenship."
In other words, excessive immigration makes immigrants worse off too
Effet méconnu de l’immigration: 64 000 hommes de plus que de femmes au Québec : r/QuebecLibre - "Les meilleures dates, par expérience, ont été avec des femmes immigrantes. C'est pourquoi que je demande au gouvernement plus de rigueur dans la sélection lol"
Effet méconnu de l’immigration: 64 000 hommes de plus que de femmes au Québec : r/QuebecLibre - "Mes échanges avec plusieurs cultures d’Amérique-latine m’amènent à dire que la plupart du temps, les femmes immigrantes arrivent déjà en couple avec leur mari. Les célibataires ne veulent pas se mettre en couple avec un latino. Quand un couple se sépare, l’homme va avoir beaucoup de misère à trouver une Québécoise et va finir avec une autre latina ou s’en retourner chez eux. Évidemment c’est la règle du pouce, mais j’ai beaucoup d’exemples de ça dans mon entourage chez des Mexicains, Colombien, Dominicains, Vénézuéliens, Costaricains."
Effet méconnu de l’immigration: 64 000 hommes de plus que de femmes au Québec : r/QuebecLibre - "Immigration massive de femmes célibataires de moins de 30 ans svp! Les filles du Roi 2.0 pour repeupler le Québec! 😎"
Effet méconnu de l’immigration: 64 000 hommes de plus que de femmes au Québec : r/QuebecLibre - "Un deal pour les asiatiques gay bottom"
Effet méconnu de l’immigration: 64 000 hommes de plus que de femmes au Québec : r/QuebecLibre - "Je travail avec des indiens qui passent leurs temps à traiter toutes les femmes québecoises (plutôt ''western womens'' je devrais dire) de tous les noms que vous pouvez vous imaginer... Ils pensent qu'ils vont se trouver une bonne petite trad wife un jour. Bonne chance les amis! XD Perso je pense que ca vient surtout du fait qu'ils sont barrés du marché du dating et qu'ils projettent leurs frustrations sur les autres. Ca fait peur de voir qu'on se cultive une grosse poussée d'incels."
Quebec Premier : We can't welcome 300000 people in 2 years. Mass immigration needs to be controlled, or you will get extreme reactions. Look at what's happening in France. : r/canada
Quebec Premier : We can't welcome 300000 people in 2 years. Mass immigration needs to be controlled, or you will get extreme reactions. Look at what's happening in France. : r/canada - "I've always wondered why it's only the Quebec nationalists who have been pointing out the problem with extreme immigration."
"Quebec has a culture they care about, and its politically correct for them to care about it. In the ROC we are racists and bigots if we express any wish to preserve our culture."
Quebec Premier : We can't welcome 300000 people in 2 years. Mass immigration needs to be controlled, or you will get extreme reactions. Look at what's happening in France. : r/canada - "Oh, we get called racists, but when you're only 7-8 million speakers and dwindling, knowing that it only takes 2-3 generations to wipe your entire culture out of the planet, you fight a little harder."
"Not to mention that we're also undermining Canada's indigenous people. Know how I know? I make it a point to ask Indian TFWs (let's face it, 7/10 of them are from India) how they feel about Indigenous Canadians. It's UGLY."
Quebec Premier : We can't welcome 300000 people in 2 years. Mass immigration needs to be controlled, or you will get extreme reactions. Look at what's happening in France. : r/canada - "They get called racists ALL the time. They're constantly compared to nazis and other distasteful things. They've just been called that for so long they got desensitized."
At this point our only option to get rid of the immigration crisis is to vote purple. : r/CanadaHousing2 - "The funny part is the Liberals and NDP used to be AGAINST high immigration, cause back in the day they supported unions. I find it hilarious how the "workers party" NDP is currently supporting the largest migration numbers the country has ever seen. It makes absolutely no sense to anyone with a functioning brain."
Half a billion to clear backlog of some asylum seekers: PBO - "Clearing the backlog of foreign nationals who have claimed asylum in Canada over the last five years — a “great number” of which the immigration minister says are Mexicans — will cost Canada an estimated half a billion dollars, a report from the parliamentary budget officer has found... Asylum claims from that country reached a record high last year, but more than 60 per cent were either rejected or withdrawn... In 2016, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau lifted the visa requirement for Mexican nationals coming to Canada. Chris Alexander, who served as immigration minister under Stephen Harper, said that was a mistake in an interview with Global News last month. “The professional advice in the department was against it. The criteria we had set as a country for lifting visa requirements were against it,” said Alexander. The PBO only reviewed the eTA stream, which accounts for 17 per cent of asylum claims. The overall number of asylum claims has risen since 2016 and reached a record high of 144,860 last year."
Western countries need to accept unlimited numbers of asylum seekers, because that's the thing decent human beings do
Ottawa considering buying hotels to house growing number of asylum seekers - The Globe and Mail - "In its most recent budget, the federal government allocated $1.1-billion over three years, starting in 2024-2025, to municipalities and provinces to meet the rising cost of housing asylum seekers through Ottawa’s Interim Housing Assistance Program. The program is designed to prevent homelessness among asylum claimants... Before MPs went home for their summer break, MPs on the Finance Committee voted against proposals in the government’s omnibus budget bill to toughen up Canada’s asylum regime and speed up the processing of refugee claims. NDP and Bloc Québécois MPs voted to quash the government’s proposed asylum reforms, including the suspension of refugee proceedings if the claimant is not in Canada."
If you don't welcome unlimited numbers of asylum seekers, you're a far right monster
Canada's immigration crisis - "By lowering its immigration standards, Canada created insurmountable obstacles. Foreign nationals arriving on student visas are the biggest driver of Canada’s dramatic population growth. Student visa holders, many of whom obtain diplomas from uncredited schools, are eligible for a Canadian green card within three years; at the fourth year they can apply for citizenship assuming they have met permanent residency requirements... Mikal Skuterud, a University of Waterloo economics professor who specializes in immigration policy, said the federal government appears to have “lost control” of temporary migration flows, a reference to the student visa holders and migrant workers influx... While workers are leaving Canada in droves, former U.S. ambassador to Canada Bruce Heyman told a national security conference on June 3 that if Trump wins in November, “These people [U.S. illegal immigrants] aren’t just going to sit there and wait to be rounded up.” Should Trump win, Heyman said, they will immediately begin making plans to leave, and they will not go south, but north. Like their U.S. expansionists’ soulmates, Canadian advocates like to parrot that more immigration lifts GDP, true but deceptive, and not the major factor in quality of life. More immigrants — more people — automatically creates a larger economy but depresses per capita income. If population growth drove economic growth, then countries like Canada and Australia that have among the highest rates of immigration and resulting population growth should vastly outpace a country like Japan, which has relatively little immigration and whose population actually declined over the last decade. Canada’s GDP per capita has fallen 0.4 per cent a year since 2020, the worst rate among 50 developed economies."
Meme - "Canada's International Student doesn't have money to buy $10-15 fan. Fraudulent financial documents is the reason why we have 30+ students living in a single house."
Newcomers in Canada: "Hello I am an international student and looking for a fan. I don't have enough money to buy the fan so if anyone have extra please let me know really in a need. Thanks"
Why isn't Canada cracking down on this Indian student visa scam? | The Spectator - "It’s no secret that Canada is one of the most desirable countries in the world for people seeking to relocate. However, not everyone who wants to move here can make the cut, which has given rise to a shady industry of international students coming to Canada to attend colleges in the hope of securing a path to Canadian citizenship upon graduating. The government made it all too easy for would-be students to apply for international student visas, with nearly 50 per cent of all new visas being granted to Indian nationals in 2022 alone. A good number of these arrivals have come from the states of Haryana and Punjab in India, boosting the overall number of Sikhs residing in Canada. The appeal of relocating to Canada has inevitably led to some trying to game the system: hundreds of international students from India were recently accused of having come to Canada on bogus acceptance letters. The federal government ordered their deportation. Many of the students, however, have managed to stay put, at least for now, claiming that they were victims of fraud themselves and had unwittingly used the services of a shady visa agent in India who was ultimately held responsible for the scandal. Many Canadians are supportive of the students: they think these youngsters have done nothing wrong and should be allowed to stay in Canada. But back in Punjab, it is clear that many people are trying to game the Canadian students visa system. In India, men and women are agreeing to ‘contract marriages’ with the aim of immigrating to Canada through the international student-to-resident pipeline. Some Punjabi men without a high school education or any in-demand skills are putting out adverts in their hometowns looking for an ‘IELTS (International English Language Testing System) bride’: Punjabi women who are increasingly more educated and qualified, as compared to the men, in securing a highly coveted international student visa to Canada. As part of the marriage agreement, the groom and his family pay for all expenses related to applying for and sponsoring the bride to get to Canada. They then continue to support her financially as she completes her studies – typically at a ballooning number of for-profit colleges — and then subsequently applies for permanent resident status, after which she can sponsor her husband from Punjab to join her in Canada. In an ironic twist of faith, some of these men who sent their contract brides to Canada are now finding themselves on the receiving end of a fraud. In these cases, the wife cuts contact with her partner after finishing her studies. She then applies for a Canadian PR for herself, effectively ghosting these husbands and denying them their golden ticket to Canada. Even for those men who are able to successfully move to Canada, the marriage can soon disintegrate, with both husband and wife living largely separate lives once they’re reunited in the promised land. All this is being orchestrated right under the Canadian government’s nose, which is why, last week, Canada’s immigration minister announced changes to how international students apply for (and get accepted to study at) Canadian institutions. However, the new policies won’t do much to address the growing number of international students coming here with sham contract marriage funds only to sponsor their spouses who don’t have much to offer in addressing Canada’s labour and skills shortage. Trudeau’s government, however, doesn’t seem to care much about cracking down on this loophole."
PP: "I'll remove gatekeepers to allow faster immigration" : r/CanadaHousing2 - "Please note that this tweet is around 2 years old and he now has a different stance. Thanks u/itsme25390905714 and others for pointing it out. Remember this when you see that video of him speaking in Surrey with his glasses on too. As far as I can tell, he changed his stance of immigration when he lost the glasses, correct me if that's wrong.
Edit: No, we will NOT ban you or delete your post if you post about JT, PP, JS, MB or any other politician in a positive or negative light. You are free to discuss them, good or bad. What could lead to a ban is if you post any *isms or misinformation without sources. Since the tweet in this post, he has changed his stance. If I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (which I would NOT give to a politician - but for argument's sake), immigration levels were low during the pandemic, and so he went around saying we need more immigrants; I don't know the context for why he was at a lot of these events, nor do I really care to - what I really care about is what he'll put in his platform. He's free to go around saying whatever to get people on board, and he also has the right to change his mind on things as new information comes in, or how the people he's trying to get votes from react to what he says. Just like any politician. This is their job if they want to get elected. Be wary if someone is telling you "XYZ said this" if it's not in their platform, and since the conservatives haven't released their election platform, as far as I'm concerned, anything they say is subject to change. I would suggest you follow this line of thinking too. He has not mentioned how much he will decrease immigration or what his immigration numbers will be. He has however said:
He will decrease the amount of immigration (link above).
Tie immigration to the amount of houses built and healthcare.
Speed up immigration processing times (this is a good thing if you want less temporary residents here)
As always, if a politician says the sky is blue, go outside and look up to see what they're lying about. "
Clearly, nothing will change because the people who claim nothing will change just hate Conservatives
Recent immigrants suffer in Canada’s weakening job market - The Globe and Mail - "Newer immigrants are struggling as the Canadian labour market goes through a rough patch. The unemployment rate for recent immigrants – those who became permanent residents within the last five years – was 12.6 per cent in June, an increase of four percentage points from a year earlier, according to Statistics Canada. (All figures in this piece are three-month moving averages, unadjusted for seasonality.) It’s a very different story for those born in Canada. Their unemployment rate was 5.5 per cent last month – up slightly from 5 per cent in June, 2023. The gap in jobless rates between these groups is the largest since August, 2014. The labour market has softened over the past two years year as companies struggle with higher interest rates, making them more hesitant to hire. At the same time, the Canadian population has soared – largely because of strong immigration – and led to an infusion of job seekers."
Clearly, if you think there shouldn't be open borders because it's bad for migrants too, you're just xenophobic and hate immigrants
Meme - Riley Donovan @valdombre: "Population growth in Canada from 1991-2023. Red is after Trudeau was elected. In 2023, 97.6% of our population growth was from immigration. Unsustainable."
"Annual Population Growth, Canada 1991-2023
Annual average 2001-2015 320,600 persons
Annual average 2016-2023 612,300 newcomers"
So much for the cope that it was just as bad under Harper
Pelletier: The government should do more of what works - "In 2022, emigration from Canada to the United States reached a 10-year high, with 126,340 people leaving the country, a whopping 70 per cent increase over the past decade... This could be just the early stages of a mass exodus of Canadians, as I am receiving numerous calls from entrepreneurs, doctors and farmers asking about options to relocate following the numerous tax changes targeting them in 2019 and again this year... Since 2015, Canada has seriously lagged the United States in terms of gross domestic product per capita. Provincial labour productivity figures rank in the bottom quartile when compared against American states. Meanwhile, the fastest-growing sector in the country is now the federal government. Foreign direct investment has turned negative, meaning capital is flowing out of the country, leaving Canada’s wealthy as the sole remaining source of capital for economic investment. But the Trudeau government has decided this is the time to increase capital gains taxes on them. How will this help motivate them to deploy capital into the economy?... there’s the personal tax rate on Canadians living in Ontario and making more than $246,752 at 53.5 per cent, which Trudeau has increased from the 46.4 per cent charged in 2011. This puts their tax rate at seven to 18.5 percentage points higher than Australia, China, the U.K., Germany, Japan, the U.S. and Mexico. One problem with this is that the minimum income required to qualify for a mortgage on the average house in Canada is roughly $200,000. As a result, only those who the Canadian government calls the wealthiest for tax purposes can qualify to buy a home here. Instead of acknowledging the problem, Calgary’s mayor recently said the prospect of never owning a home and becoming a forever renter is a liberating experience. Perhaps I should be liberated from my property tax bill, which I opened last week to discover that it has doubled from the previous year despite doing zero renovations."
