Meme - "Finn to Rey: "How did you do that?"
Spmehow
Tracked through lightspeed
Somehow
Palpatine returns
Somehow
Maz has Luke's lightsaber
Somehow
A random dude knows how to disable the tracker
Somehow
Rey using force heal
Somehow
Rey does a jedi mind trick
Somehow
Snoke: Can't sense Kylo's intentions
Somehow
Rey Skywalker
Somehow"
Meme - George Lucas: "I put a scene in Star Wars that's a shot-for-shot remake of the Nazi rally in Triumph of the Will"
Padme: "Depicting the Empire, right"
George Lucas:
Padme: "Depicting the Empire, right"
*The Throne Room*
No, George did NOT sell Star Wars because angry fan reactions hurt his feelings : r/saltierthankrait - "I saw this getting thrown around today by some anti-fandom crusaders, and frankly, I'm tired of people saying this. Sure, George Lucas once said "why would I make more when everyone yells at you about what a terrible person you are?" but he also was in the process of making the sequels, and the man has a history of doing what he wants at the expense of everything else, he even admits the fans would have hated his sequels. During the Charlie Rose interview, he said he wanted to make sure his employees kept their jobs, he had an obligation to them, and sources close to him also suggest that because he was in the process of making his sequels, the deciding factor to sell was his mortality, he worried he might die before he could make all three of them. And think about it, George never reversed course when making the prequels, he never stopped making them, despite the hated coming at him from all sides. So why would he sell if the fan reactions were the deciding factor when he was already making sequels he knew the fans would loathe? Hell, there's quotes he gave before Phantom Menace released saying he knew then the fans would hate it because it showed Darth Vader being a good little kid, and that was one of their complaints. He recently said at a public event that he doesn't care what people think about his movies. This tired anti-fandom talking point needs to die, it just fuels Lucasfilm's attempts to discredit legitimate criticisms by labeling it all as "toxic fandom." You're helping those corporate swindlers smother the life and the creativity and the artwork out of Star Wars."
We should discuss WHY the sequels won't became beloved as the prequels : r/saltierthankrait - "We always say that the sequels won't become popular, but never specify why. So my opinion is that we look at prequels and see :
1. A cohesive vision and narattive
2. That they've tried really hard
3. Respecting the characters But looking at the sequels, we don't see any of it. But that's just me."
Krayt thinks the sequels will be beloved someday, lol : r/saltierthankrait - "Except, we're coming up on the tenth anniversary of Force Awakens, and it's the complete inverse to how it was a decade ago, where everyone loved it and wanted to give it a chance despite being a shallow reskin of A New Hope. Well, fandom sentiment has turned since then, and I see a lot more people who admit to that and agree that it's a derivative copy. Also, the sequels getting a reevaluation is contingent on Disney Star Wars releasing something worse, and for my money, since most of it has been stale, focus-grouped corporate for the last thirteen years, I really see reaction to it being just more of the same, shifting in neither direction."
So i genuinely didn’t know these guys existed : r/StarWars - "I have always said that Solo is a great time AND a fantastic Star Wars film. It's just not a good Han Solo film. Swap out Han Solo with an original character, change the pacing so you don't have to put Han Solo's entire life in there, keep Lando and the Falcon, and you seriously have one of the best Star Wars movies to come out of the Disney era. It was just a weird move to recast Han Solo and fit every little bit of lore about him in one movie. It doesn't work because no one else can ever be Han Solo. I think we found that out. Ewan McGregor became Obi-Wan in the eyes of the Fandom because Obi-Wan was a very understated but important character in the OT. Han Solo was life-blood in the OT. No one else could ever be him but Harrison Ford. On the other hand, I don't disagree at all with recasting post ROTJ Luke or even maybe Leia, if it's done right. I think young Leia was done very well in Obi-Wan Kenobi, and I think they should seriously consider recasting Luke, no matter how well the CG works. The truth is, we do need to see more of these guys on screen again. I think fans want it, but it has to be done right. Disney tried and it wasn't received well, but that's because I don't think the execution was done well."
Meme - ""PeOpLe dOn'T LIKE ReY bEcAUse ShE wOmAn"
Meanwhile:
*Ahsoka Tano, The Armorer, Bastila Shan, Nomi Sunrider, Asajj Ventress, Juno Eclipse, Satele Shan, Darth Talon, Leia Organa, Padme Amidala, Kreia, Meetra Surik*"
Mark Hamill says he won't return again as Luke Skywalker “I had my time ... I really think they should focus on the future and all the new characters” : r/StarWars - "Its been 10 years since TFA and just don't see the reception for the sequels being near the positive levels the prequels were 10 years after TPM. I feel the feelings towards the prequels softened over the first 10 years, mainly thanks to the trilogy ending on a relative high along with all the merchandise and extra content they received over those years. With RoS being a massive dud, the lack of good sequel merchandise and content and opinions of Disney's running of the franchise being rather low, the opinions of the sequels have declined massively over their first 10 years. I doubt the sequel generation will have quite the same impact on their reception as the prequel generation has had... Video games are really good examples. Even though people may not have liked the prequel films there were still aspects of them that they were really interested in playing in video games. Whether thats racing games with podracers, starfighter games with lots of new ships, playing as lots of new Jedi, or playing as interesting new factions like droids or clones, there was lots of fun potential with the prequel content. Now what would people want from a sequel game? Well there are a couple of new characters and some interesting new locations but is there anything particularly new or creative? The factions are just reskins of the OT Rebels and Empire, ships are basically OT ships, the battles and conflicts aren't that original either. There just isn't a great deal to be interested in that isn't already done better before."
Meme - "Acolyte gets canceled: Kathleen Kennedy be like "It's because prequal fans are sexist and racist!"
Meanwhile, prequal fans favorite characters be like: *Mace Windu, Ahsoka Tano*"
Meme - Young Anakin: "...So, when I die, will I be set on fire like Master Qui-Gon?"
Obi-Wan Kenobi: "No, you'll be alive when it happens."
Anakin’s turn to the dark side (in the movies) wasn’t “sudden” : r/StarWars - "One of the most common complaints about the prequels is that Anakin turns to the dark side too quickly. But I don’t think that’s fair at all. His fall doesn’t even start in Revenge of the Sith, it begins way back in Attack of the Clones. When Anakin slaughters the Tusken Raiders after his mother dies, it’s not just a moment of grief, it’s a full-on act of hatred and revenge. He even admits to Padmé, “I killed them all… I hate them.” That’s pure dark side energy, and it’s the first major sign of where he’s headed. He also says some pretty alarming things to Padmé throughout Attack of the Clones, like talking about wanting to become “all-powerful” and forcing people to agree through dictatorship. He’s not acting on those ideas yet, but it shows how easily he could justify dangerous choices if he believed they were for the greater good. You also see his pride and insecurity show up constantly, like when Obi-Wan tells him to “know his place,” or when Padmé brushes him off as “just a Padawan.” He gets defensive and frustrated, always needing to prove himself. In Revenge of the Sith, Anakin’s choices become harder to ignore. He kills Count Dooku at Palpatine’s command, something he immediately regrets and admits isn’t the Jedi way. But he does it anyway. The Jedi Council also doesn’t help. Despite how powerful he’s become, they still treat him like a kid, shutting him out and questioning his loyalty. At the same time, he’s having terrifying visions of Padmé dying in childbirth. He becomes obsessed with the idea of saving her no matter the cost. So when Palpatine tells him the story of Darth Plagueis and hints at the power to cheat death, Anakin doesn’t reject it entirely, he holds onto it. Even when he finds out Palpatine is a Sith Lord, he doesn’t turn him in right away. He’s already convinced that the Jedi won’t help him save Padmé (which they won’t), and that Palpatine might. When Mace Windu goes to arrest Palpatine, Anakin tries to stay out of it but ultimately makes a desperate choice. He intervenes, helps Palpatine kill Windu, and immediately regrets it. He knows it’s wrong. He’s not thinking like a Sith yet, he’s just afraid, and thinks he’s out of options. Some people argue that Anakin pledging himself to Palpatine right after helping kill Mace Windu feels too sudden. But I think once he takes part in the death of one of the Jedi Order’s most respected Masters, he sees no way back. He already felt like the Jedi didn’t trust him, now he knows they won’t forgive him. From his point of view, he’s a traitor, and the only person offering him protection and a way to save Padmé is Palpatine. Switching sides wasn’t just a choice it felt like the only option left. After pledging himself to Palpatine, he’s sent to the Jedi Temple. And yes, he kills the younglings. It’s horrific. But his face shows pain, not pleasure. His Sith eyes don’t appear during this scene, which tells us he’s still not fully gone. He’s following orders, but he’s not embracing the darkness yet. Later, on Mustafar, he wipes out the Separatist leaders and that’s when his Sith eyes finally show up. He’s gone further than ever before. But even then, we see him cry while standing alone. He’s not proud. He’s not celebrating. He’s broken. When Padmé arrives, his eyes are normal again. He tells her he’s done everything to save her, he even says they can overthrow the Emperor and live together in a desperate attempt for her approval. He’s spiraling, but his goal is still to save her. When she refuses and Obi-Wan shows up, Anakin completely loses it. He feels betrayed. In his mind, she’s turned against him because of Obi-Wan. The duel starts not because he wants to kill Obi-Wan, but because he feels like Obi-Wan is the last thing standing in the way of his future with Padmé. During their fight, it’s when he’s burning with rage, literally and emotionally, that his Sith eyes return. That’s the moment the last piece of Anakin starts to fade. After he’s rebuilt in the Vader suit, the first thing he asks is: “Where is Padmé? Is she safe?” That line alone shows he STILL hasn’t fully turned yet despite being in the iconic suit. But then Palpatine lies and tells him he killed her and that’s it. That’s the moment “Anakin” dies, and “Vader” fully takes over, if you believe in that idea. From that point on, his actions aren’t about saving anyone. They’re about power, pain, and control."
Anakin’s turn to the dark side (in the movies) wasn’t “sudden” : r/StarWars - "His mom being left as a slave lol the Jedi could’ve saved his mom."
"but that's in line with Jedi philosophy, severing all prior attachments. which underscores how flawed the order was."
"This was the point where the Jedi Order displayed its inflexibility. It chose not to do the morally correct thing because it went against doctrine. The Order could not bend to meet new circumstances (a nine-year old child with a strong maternal connection that was incredibly force-sensitive and had potential to rival the Grand Master), and thus it broke into pieces in but a fraction of its total lifetime, a mere fifteen years to destroy millennia of history and tradition."
"It's also why I hate Mandoverse Luke that is so rigid with the old order's dogma. It makes a lot of sense why old EU Luke did things differently with attachments and allowing Jedi to have families because the old ways are part of the reason the order failed."
"Regarding EU Luke, it made a lot of sense that he allowed Jedi to have families. After all, it was father-son love who allowed Darth Vader to turn back into Anakin for his ultimate redemption. Familar bond managed to turn back a Sith Lord to the Light side. That was a proof that family bonds WERE compatible with the Jedi ways."
"I feel like the sequels make it so Luke has to be set up to be a putz."
"Yeah pretty much, otherwise he wouldn’t have tried to kill “Kylo Ben” over a bad thought. OG Luke and Sequels Luke are two different personalities, so now you have to make it where you show of roots of how he becomes the guy you see 30 yrs later."
Anakin’s turn to the dark side (in the movies) wasn’t “sudden” : r/StarWars - "The scene with Mace, Palpatine and Anakin together mirrors the Dooku execution scene perfectly and IMO is the final straw. Mace/Palpatine wants Anakin to kill Palpatine/Dooku, with both giving the same justification despite Anakins obvious hesitation in both scenes: 'he's too dangerous to be left alive'. Suddenly, Anakin is faced with the hypocrisy and confusion of his biggest critic reenacting something he deeply regretted doing and was ashamed of. All respect is lost and any hope of elevating the survival of the jedi over Padme goes out the window (hehe). A decision that paves the way for Padme to die."
I just recently reached episode 1. What was the purpose for this huge location under the palace on Naboo? Is there a cannon explanation? : r/StarWars - "Obi Wan and and a Naboo engineer having a conversation at the celebration after the battle of Naboo:
O: So you’re the guy who designed that giant energy reactor room?
E: I can’t take all the credit, my team and I put in a lot of hours to build the perfect energy…
O: Sure sure. Listen, I wanted to ask you about those laser wall things?
E: The what?
O: like half a dozen red laser walls that turn on and off in an annoyingly asynchronous oscillation? What are those for?
E: uhhh… why?
O: well they kind of got my best friend killed. We were fighting this goth guy in there and your little laser walls really got in the way. So what’s the point of those things? Because if you ask me, they seem like pointless obstructions to the room with the big hole in it.
E: wait you guys went in there? That’s the primary radiation exhaust port. Those red laser walls filter out deadly radiation. Anyone who went in there will either be dead soon or look like they’re 80 when they’re in their fifties."
George Lucas Rejects ‘Star Wars’ Critics Who Think the Films Are ‘All White Men’: ‘Most of the People Are Aliens!’ - "George Lucas stated “Most of the people are aliens! The idea is you’re supposed to accept people for what they are, whether they’re big and furry or whether they’re green or whatever. The idea is all people are equal.” Lucas went on to say that the only beings in the “Star Wars” universe who were discriminated against were the robots... Lucas also responded to criticism about the depiction of women in the “Star Wars” films, saying: “Who do you think the heroes are in these stories? What do you think Princess Leia was? She’s the head of the Rebellion. She’s the one that’s taking this young kid who doesn’t know anything and this boisterous, I know-everything guy who can’t do anything and trying to save the rebellion with these clowns … And it’s the same thing with Queen Amidala even thought she has Jedi on her side.” He continued, “You can’t just put a woman in pants and expect her to be a hero. They can wear dresses, they can wear whatever they want. It’s their brains and their ability to think and plan and be logistical. That’s what the hero is.”"
Meme - "Rey and Finn when a dude they just met died
Luke when he saw burnt bodies of people who raised him"
Meme - Buzz Lightyear toy: "I AM ONE OF THE WERY FEW JEDI WHO SURVIVED ORDER 66."
DISNEY STAR WARS: *Shelves of Buzz Lightyear toys*
Meme - "r/StarWars
“While Anakin kinda forgot about the sith fleet.”
"...A FLEET OF STAR DESTROYERS A THOUSAND TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE GALAXY HAS EVER SEEN."
"WHA..."
"IS THIS ALL YOU HAVE?"
"This is incredible absurd, they made this comic just to justify the absurdity of the sith fleet in Exegol. Makes little to no sense they were building the second Death Star when they have this kind of power. Making the Destroyers able to destroy planets is also absurd. It's all bad writing, infinite powerscale instead of something smart.""
Why do stock stormtroopers and “related environment” troopers seemingly get randomly grouped together? : r/StarWars - "Somone did a shoot/kill ratio and even based on what we see on screen the storm troopers are an elite fighting force. Iirc they have 300/1 shots to kill while the US marines have a 100,000/1 shot to kill."
"That 100,000 to 1 shots to kills is somewhat misleading, as it includes training. That said, the opening scene where we see the Stormtroopers board the Tantive IV is actually very impressive- they’re attacking down a funnel of death, but they break through it and only suffer equivalent casualties with the defenders."
"1. In real-life, gunfights usually happen over hundreds and thousands of meters. Usually it actually takes a while to know where you're actually getting shot from. In Star Wars, engagements are usually at a distance of tens of meters or point blank. That's a huge factor.
2. In real-life, suppressing and covering fire is used extensively. Squads literally have a guy with a machine whose job is to put as many bullets down range as possible to suppress the enemy. That's rarely ever used in Star Wars, and honestly, most blasters seemingly have no where near the RPM of our machine guns.
Those are the two most important factors. I think I read that the statistic included every bullet fired, meaning also those fired in training. If true, that would be another big factor. All in all, ECHenry's video really doesn't show much of all. Its pretty easy to hit your targets when they're just standing a few meters away from you. Plus, blaster bolts seem a lot larger than bullets, which makes hitting someone at such a range even easier."
Meme - "When you perfectly capture what an awkward teenage/ young adult boy is like but critics don't like it because it's awkward: *Hayden Christensen*"
‘Star Wars: Skeleton Crew’ Sets a Viewership Record—But Not the One Fans Hoped For - "Even though the show is good, it didn’t seem to stick with most Star Wars fans. According to Nielsen’s streaming data, its debut wasn’t very strong. In its first week, the show had the lowest viewership of any Star Wars series, with less than 382 million minutes watched for its first two episodes combined... The show’s performance was about 20% worse than The Acolyte. Because of this, Skeleton Crew didn’t make it into Disney+’s Top 10 Originals, which is the first time this has happened for a Star Wars series. The premiere also had much fewer viewers compared to other Star Wars shows on Disney+."
How did the First Order get enough resources to create Starkiller base? : r/StarWars - "Starkiller would have been a great final threat for RoS, that was being built during TFA and TLJ, but having it just show up and get destroyed in TFA felt weird and anti-climactic."
"It also annihilated the New Republic, killing trillions, but it wasn't even mentioned in the next 2 movies."
"This is why I was so mad at The Last Jedi. I had convinced myself that the next logical step would be outright war. Like ROTS style. But nope, casino heist"
"I mean the casino heist wouldn't have even been a bad thing had it not been a complete waste of fucking time. They go there to get a master code breaker, they see him, get captured because they illegally parked on a fucking beach and then SOMEHOW meet ANOTHER code breaker that is apparently just using the FO as a bed & breakfast since he easily gets out of the cell thanks to Rose's pendant. It's so nonsensical in every single step, had it been revealed that they were master codebreakerS, as in plural and the red lapel fuck was bro in prison's partner or some shit, it could've been salvaged. I'll never not get mad at how ridiculous that entire part of the story is lol."
"I've learned it's easier to just laugh at the absurdity of the sequels than outright hate them. So many people treat them like a joke and just pretend they didn't happen, it may as well not be canon; which is even funnier to me"
"Should’ve been an obvious tip-off when no one came to help the Resistance at the end of TFA. Best not to go into movies with expectations. Take them as-is, y’know."
"I mean you are right. I don’t think anyone expected episode 8 to pick up minutes (exaggerating) after episode 7. My thought process was no way th new republic had ALL their ships in one system. Even if they’re demilitarized. Figured it would open with time skip and a battle somewhere else once they’ve regrouped. But you’re right. Expectations are killers"
"Expectations for some sort of overarching story or even a tiny bit of plot cohesion isn't asking for much!"
John Boyega says if he were to produce Star Wars, it would've been different - • New characters wouldn’t be overpowered — “They won't just grab stuff and know what to do with it” : r/StarWars - ""First of all, we’re not getting rid of Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, all these people. We're not doing that. The first thing we're going to do is fulfill their story, fulfill their legacy. We're going to make a good moment of handing on the baton. "Our new characters," said Boyega, "will not be OP'd [overpowered] in these movies. They won't just grab stuff and know what to do with it. No. You've got to struggle like every other character in this franchise. I'd do that." "I'd look to the Old Republic stories," the actor continued, "And see what we can add to the continuation of that. I would definitely want to see Force Unleashed stories in there. I would try to expand the Star Wars universe as much as possible while respecting the lore."
"He had me until force unleashed, I feel like that’s really contradicting what he said about not having OP characters"
"That's not what he's saying tho. Starkiller was personally trained by Vader. Starkiller didn't start off as OP in the same way that Rey did, for example. No doubt that Starkiller is busted OP lol, but he struggled, suffered, and was likely abused on his path to get OP, and that aligns with how Dark Side force users operate and see their relationship with The Force . Rey was a literal nobody who could force pull a lightsaber and win a fight against an opponent that was not only trained by Luke Skywalker, but was also trained by clone of Palpatine. How does that make any sense lol. It's about earned OPness. Saitama in One Punch Man is literally OP beyond all fucking sensibility, but it is entirely earned, and his OPness is actually a point of suffering for Saitama lol. Rey's success and power doesn't feel earned at all."
Damn toxic misogynist racist! He's just still pissed off that Disney cast a black man as a lead character in Star Wars
John Boyega says if he were to produce Star Wars, it would've been different - • New characters wouldn’t be overpowered — “They won't just grab stuff and know what to do with it” : r/StarWars - "I knew he hated his character getting sidelined after TFA but I didn't imagine he had such disdain for Rey and what was done to Luke."
"Hard not to, especially because TFA, while having big problems, does also potentially set up interesting things, which makes what comes next even more disappointing. If you don't take what's shown completely at face value, you walk away from TFA thinking there's no way that Rey is really just an abandoned child, there's more to her past, and there's no way Luke really just gave up and ran away, there's more to it. The following movie, however, just confirms the exact surface level statements from TFA. It retroactively makes TFA completely shit, because if you watch it and TLJ as a duology, there's absolutely 0 hidden depth, no intrigue. Everything is exactly as it's stated. You see a desert girl living as a scrapper who has a mysterious vision about her family, but she really is just a scrapper who doesn't remember what her parents look like. Same with Luke. I wasn't married to any specific theories walking out of TFA, but my take was that Rey was either Luke's kid or "merely" the kid of one of Luke's apprentices (or even just a random orphan) who had been doing early jedi training and had been smuggled away to survive the destruction of the temple. It would explain why Kylo had such a strong reaction to hearing about "the girl". It would also explain how she seemingly was able to just use the force the way she did. With Luke, it could have been literally anything. He could have been looking for a solution, trapped, doing something else he considered important, hiding away with surviving pupils that he was protecting because he felt guilty about the deaths of the others, etc... There's a bunch of possibilities, more or less heroic, with a more or less damaged Luke. Any of those are better ideas than "He just gave up and walked away" as Han, who hasn't spoken to Luke, describes it. Even Snoke, with his giant hologram that gave Wizard of Oz vibes, was intriguing. I was wondering who he was and whether he really looked like that. Well, he did look exactly like that, and who he was was not elaborated on even a single bit. Everything is exactly as you see it on the surface in TFA"
"I agree with what you said, but bro, you're putting more thought into the films than Disney did. There's no point in analyzing something when Disney wrote the script on the back of a napkin."
"And all of that is because Rian Johnson "Didn't like what was set up in TFA." Words cannot describe how happy I was when I heard that Disney cancelled Rian Johnson's SW trilogy. He has absolutely no business going anywhere near that property again"
John Boyega says if he were to produce Star Wars, it would've been different - • New characters wouldn’t be overpowered — “They won't just grab stuff and know what to do with it” : r/StarWars - "Rey being able to go toe to toe with Kilo Ren in TFA always felt unearned."
"I always assumed Kylo was at far less than 100% by that point having just murdered his father
Edit: and getting shot by Chewie
Edit2: Also it’s not like she dominated him in combat, she successfully fended him off and got away but it never seemed like she might actually kill him.
Edit3: I’m also pretty sure he didn’t actually want to kill her so much as subdue and get the chance to turn her"
"He was still trained by both Snoke and Luke Skywalker. She had essentially no training, except a little bow fighting. Even at 50% he should have made quick work of her... Someone who for years studied and was trained by both Jedi and the Sith, and had achieved a level of mastery over the force isn’t going to struggle against a bo fighter who up to that point hardly even knew what the force was. Blaster bolt wound or no blaster bolt wound. Even Finn was able to hold his own for a while and he’s not even force sensitive. What did Vader do when Han pointed a gun at him? He simply force pulled the gun out of Han’s hand and took it from him. Game over. That’s what trained force users do to non force users. Sorry, the ending of that movie doesn’t work for me. Maybe your standards are just lower."
"Yea kylo can freeze blaster bolts mid air. He shouldnt even need a saber to win"
"While Rey had just been slammed into a tree, to the point of being unconscious for a bit. Hence Finn trying to fight Kylo to save her."
"I'm glad to hear someone else mention this. She probably should have had a TBI and perhaps some neck and back damage. But she can still go toe to toe with Kylo."
"After that kind of concussion she should have been keeling over from bright lights, no doctor recommends light saber battles after a serious concussion."
