Sanity First @GNQ_: "Good Afternoon"
*Chart showing scientific advancement with time, with a dropoff during the Christian Dark Ages, and extrapolation claiming that without "the hole left by the Christian Dark Ages", scientific advancement in 1000 AD would be the same as in 2000 AD*
Possum Reviews @ReviewsPoss ...: "Please explain why the non-Christian world didn't advance a thousand years ahead of the Christian world during that time."
Adam Cochran (adamscochran.eth) on X
"*sigh* it did.
This was “The Islamic Golden Age” in the Middle East and “The Golden Age of the Song Dynasty” in China.
The Islamic Golden Age started in 662 with major caliphates like the Abbasid Caliphate. These caliphates eventually to led to the Sultanate of Rum which then conquered much of the Christian Byzantine Empire territories, eventually becoming part of the Ottoman Empire.
It was the Islamic golden age that gave us modern algebra, analytic geometry, the law of sines, the scientific method, major advances in medicine - especially the understanding of the vascular system, and some of the first modern surgeries including the first mastectomy treatment of breast cancer. All things that Christian Europe lagged behind on for hundreds of more years.
In China, the Song Dynasty from 960-1279 saw its own boom.
They created banknotes, the first standing navy, the first gun powder weapons, the true north compass, astronomical clocks, and its GDP was 3x larger than that of all of Europe combined.
The practiced the first modern autopsies, created some of the first joint-stock companies, created a mechanical odometer, the differential gear, and the first movable type print system.
Once again all of which took Christian Europe many hundred years to catch up on.
So “why didn’t the non-Christian world advance a thousand years ahead during that time?”
It literally did, and you just need to read a fucking book.
The Christian Dark Ages are called the dark ages because they literally massively set us back a thousand years in science, medicine, and every other field, due to horrible over reach of Christian policy over the state.
That’s why we named it that way.
There is no problem being of faith, but don’t try and white wash your faiths history through a xenophobic lens that assumes the failings of the Christian Dark Ages applied to the rest of the world."
"Absolutely retarded view of history clung to by atheists who hate their parents. It's so fucking embarassing anyone over 14 years old believes this shit. China had so many "Golden Ages" and technological advancements that when the UK sent 25 steamboats to the other side of the planet to sail up their rivers, they completely dismantled the Chinese empire and issued in the "Century of Humiliation."
Looks like their 1,000-year head start didn't work out too well for them.
In the first Crusade, Muslims weren't trouncing the Christians because we were 500 years behind them technologically and they had spent 400 years in an Abbasid golden age with the expelled Jews learning math. The Abbasids had actually just been conquered by a bunch of horse lords from the steppe who couldn't do any math at all. The Muslims who came to fight the Crusaders were shocked by the Frankish Heavy Cavalry, which was so advanced and professional that the Crusaders defeated every army sent after them, even when starving to death and massively outnumbered in every battle.
That doesn't look like the difference in 1,000 years of technology, because obviously that wasn't the case.
We know what the difference of 1,000 years of advancement looks like, it looks like White people taking over the world from 1500 to the current year.
People just say this shit because they don't care about history they want to shit on Christianity and White people, they don't actually understand development and since its clear white people ended up winning civilization they need a cope to say they were winning for a little bit."
"Uhm you need to read a book...
It was not Christian over reach. The Western Roman Empire fell to invasion and plague and society collapsed. The Church stepped in because no one else could or would safe guard anything but their own power.
Western Europe lost much but still made some advances. Medieval agriculture was more advanced than Roman. Architecture advanced and over time the spread of Christianity brought about a wide and generally accepted social consensus that while imperfect laid the foundation stones for the renascence and modern era of nation states.
In Eastern Europe there was no fall. Much of the "Islamic Golden Age" was predicated on the Arabs translating from the Greek.
Oh just to point out that though it happened at different times, the Western Romans, Eastern Romans, Arabs and Chinese all had their "golden ages" ended by the arrival of steppe horsemen. Felt caps and recurve bows ended more golden ages before gun powder than any other force."
"“The Christian Dark Ages are called the dark ages because they literally massively set us back a thousand years in science, medicine, and every other field, due to horrible over reach of Christian policy over the state.”
Every single part of this is untrue, down to the fact that you’re still calling it the “Dark Ages” when historians stopped using that term a long time ago. The idea that Christianity set Europe back is completely ahistorical nonsense that isn’t supported by any of the evidence."
"The Christian dark ages are called the dark ages because the lack of sources compared to antiquity. So we are "in the dark" about the period. It wasn't less advanced."
Adam Cochran (adamscochran.eth) on X
"Yeah Sandy it’s almost as if then those other regions went through their own issues due the the Golden Horde destroying 12% of the global population and salting the earth, while we benefited from their inventions after our own renaissance.
It’s almost as if every culture contributed to global progress and that you’d be fucking stupid to think one race or religion is somehow superior."
"If they were a thousand years ahead of everyone else, why didn't they simply invent laser guns to kill the Mongols instead of being conquered by a bunch of guys with horses and arrows?
To that point, why were the backwater Europeans who were 2000 years behind them able to hold off the Mongols while they were conquered by them?"
Naturally, Adam Cochran blocked Alexander Augustine after he tweeted his reply (after quoting his response to attempt to dismiss it with weak hand-waving about the Mongols (when they invaded the Middle East 1.5 centuries after the First Crusade), so the latter wouldn't be able to easily reply again, and hiding someone else who pointed out he was talking nonsense about Muslim contributions), then doubled down on attacking Christians with his historical ignorance again. Not to mention the historians who point out the Romans had plateaued with technology and that the Dark Ages had technological advancements.
Whenever left wingers tell others to "read a book", they're invariably the ignorant ones who need to read books. Left wing projection strikes again.
