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Saturday, June 15, 2024

Links - 15th June 2024 (2 - Trans Mania)

Thread by @babybeginner on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App - "Thread  Big news! A Southern California school district agreed to a settlement of $360,000 for firing a teacher who “hypothetically” refused to adhere to policies regarding gender ideology.  The word hypothetically was used in the lawsuit because  the situation never actually came up. The teacher, Jessica Tapia, just told district personnel that she would not use false pronouns nor would she allow someone to use the wrong the locker room and she wouldn’t withhold information from parents. She stated that to do so would violate her religious beliefs.  The Jurupa Unified School District did not admit any wrongdoing, but agreed to pay Tapia $285,000, and $75,000 in attorneys’ fees. Tapia’s attorney, Julianne Fleisher stated “We think it sends a strong message that there’s a price to pay when you ask a teacher to lie and withhold information.”  It does indeed. So why was the teacher fired if the situation never came up? She was fired because students found her social media posts and reported her.  I’ve written about children who use power to get adults fired. I call my piece The Lord of the Flies Theory of Millennials. Though my theory is more of a crossover of late Millennials and Gen Z.  I call these children Fly Lords. It’s my pinned thread if you’re curious. They are children who get together en masse to demand things. In this case the firing of the teacher. Well, listening to children’s demands just cost this school district $360,000.  If you’re wondering how to fight back against fly lords, this is how.  I wish this teacher had won just from saying she refused, and not on religious grounds. Refusing to lie should be enough."
California district to pay $360K to teacher fired for not following transgender policies

Thread by @buttonslives on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App - "NEW STUDY: When activist-researchers find that primarily white teenage girls with a gender dysphoria diagnosis are seeking medical interventions, they conclude that males, asian, black, and hispanic trans-identified youth need more “equitable” access to medical interventions. 🧵... A 2023 study by the same authors on cooccurring gender dysphoria and autism, using PEDSnet data, found teenage girls overrepresented and came to a similar conclusion, advocating to "reduce disparities in access to care" for males and "youth of color.""
Since they cannot possibly conclude that white teenage girls are being wrongly overdiagnosed, this is the only possible conclusion

Hazel Appleyard on X - "Non-b!nary teenager gets pregnant, says it is her mother's 'duty' to raise the baby because she didn't put her on pub3rty blockers when she came out at 16. She expects her mother to raise her baby as if it is her sibling, not her actual child. Parents need to say NO to their children WAY more often."

AITAH For Not Wanting To Raise My NB Daughter's Baby? : r/AITAH - " My daughter came to me at 16 and said she was non-binary, but only sometimes. Like, some days she would feel more male than female and somedays she would feel like neither. She wanted me to ask her every day what day it was and then refer to her as that pronoun of the day.  I told her that wasn’t going to fly (Growing up, I spent a lot of time on LJ during the ol’ ‘bun-self’ and ‘zen-self’ ‘zir-self’ days. People who think this is new to this generation are fooling themselves). I told her that I would call her the pro-noun she wanted, and do my best to remember it day to day, but she was going to have to tell me what she wanted for that day. I wasn’t going to play a daily guessing game.  This went on for about a week or two until she finally seemed to grow tired or bored and just said I could call her ‘her’. Though she still identifies as non-binary. Fine. (At least when it was going on she wanted ‘she, he, or they’ — I’m sorry but I couldn’t have done fox-self/fox-them with a straight face).  So that’s the pronoun story and looking back where I think things started to go off the handle. Here’s my real question.  My daughter is now 18, pregnant, and seems to have lost her god damned mind. Or I’m an asshole. You choose.  This year has been a struggle. She wanted to take a break year before she goes to community college, but can’t keep a job. Apparently, retail situations are too phobic against her non-binary state. (My child looks/acts/dresses exactly as a young adult female btw. When I ask how people are being phobic against her she gets as prickly as a cactus so I really don’t know the details.). She’s been through 4 or 5 jobs this year, quit all of them. She won’t consider call centers that aren’t face to face because she doesn’t like to talk on phones, and is apparently looking for a remote job without any luck.  She’s been unemployed since Thanksgiving (she quit her last job on Black Friday, in fact) and I was on the verge of laying down the law, telling her she either needs to go to school this upcoming semester full time or get a full time job or move out with her friends.  But now she’s come to me and she’s 5 months pregnant. She’s very angry at me, says it’s my fault because:
I didn’t put her on puberty-blocking hormones when she came to me 2 years ago.
She believes I am in fact trying to ‘feminize her’ by getting her birth control. (The pill.). She’s been throwing her prescription away.
This is where I might be the asshole. I called her a little idiot. We don’t use that sort of language in my house, and I never call people names—especially my own child— but at that moment I could just see red.  The hormone thing is a non-issue IMO because this is the first time I ever heard of her wanting hormones. What was I supposed to do? Go back in time?  As for the birth control! It’s also the first time I’m hearing anything about this! There are non-pill options that don’t have estrogen. If that was her want, all she had to do was ask and I would have driven her to the doctor myself! Or she could have taken the car she has and done it. She has her own medical card, even! Though to be fair, I don’t know how she would have managed the co-pay without a job. I know for a fact her old high school gave out free condoms like candy because her friends were always giggling over flavored sample packs and even blew a few of them up like balloons and left them around the house one time. She had all the birth control she could ever want and used none of it.  It gets worse.  We’re way past the date of abortion (again, I would have helped her if this had been her wish! We live in an abortion protected state and can afford it!). She’s known she was pregnant since about 2 months and has come to think of her baby like a sibling. She expects me to raise it like it was mine. That this is my duty, in fact, because she says it is my refusal to accept her non-binary state that led to her being pregnant. So she was going to get a brother or sister and I was going to have another child.  You can say my language grew… sterner. Versions of ‘get your head out of your ass’ and ‘congratulations, Mommy, you have some hard decisions to make’ and I said I would absolutely not raise her baby for her.  She also refused to say who the father was. Now that I’ve cooled down I’m really hoping she has a secret boyfriend. She does have some friends who were born male, but now also don’t identify that way. We didn’t even get there as I lost my mind when she said she thinks of her own baby as a sibling and wants me to raise it like my own child.  She’s locked herself in her room loudly wailing, I feel like crap warmed over. She’s been in there for 12 hours, and as she has an attached bathroom, probably won’t be coming out until she gets hungry. Considering it’s been half a day I think she has snacks stored.  I also don’t know where to go from here. Being pregnant sucks and messes with your head, so I’d like to blame that and the fear she must be feeling, but… I have the bad feeling I either raised a spoiled brat or someone with an emerging personality disorder.  So I need to know from people who aren’t emotionally involved, and maybe some people who are more in tune with this whole nonbinary thing than I am.  What do I do to help while also making her responsible for her own child? How can I help my daughter accept she must do basically the most feminine thing you can do (give birth and possibly breast-feed) while being sensitive that she’s non-binary? Am I just a big asshole here?  Typing all this out it feels like my daughter is lost in crazy town. I'm still not raising her baby but at what point do I drag a legal adult to the hospital?
Edit: You might disagree with my choices or wording, but I'm reporting people who call this bait. It's not.
Edit2: It's the middle of the night and she has decided to pack some of her clothes and stay with one of her friends. (One who I suspect is the baby daddy). Before she left she told me that she already called the police and let them know that she was 'leaving of her own free will and was not in danger'. Like I was going to report an 18 year old adult as a runaway or something? It was insulting.  I told her she needs to work out details if she wants to adopt with the father, and she was welcome back home when she had a plan in place.  It was short because I heard her on the way out. I think she just meant to leave without saying anything.  Thank you for your kind comments and advice, Reddit. I'm going to sleep."

Meme - Richard Hanania @RichardHanania: "Difference between a society where trans is real and they are actually effeminate gay men on some kind of gender spectrum and one where masculine bullies put on dresses and push people around for the lulz."
Ryan Dawson @RyLiberty: "America cant build anything anymore"
AMERICAN TRANS *Rachel Levine, Sam Brinton, Dylan Mulvaney*
ASIAN TRANS *?, ?, Treechada Petcharat*

Meme - Hazel Appleyard @HazelAppleyard_: "Man in a dress gets called a man in a dress and cries so hard he has a nose bleed and gets sent home from work.   😭"
"Ouchy Ouchy Ouchy
I work with exclusively women. I'm an MTF trans woman, and I'm socially transitioned. I go to work as a woman. I work at a thrift store, I price all the clothes and accessories. I feel comradery with the other women at work- it's so special to me to have that. I really felt like one of the girls. We get two fifteens and a thirty at work. Two smokes and lunch. We all hang out on the stoop in the parking lot, it's so cute. Seven girls, being with each other. One of my coworkers- jenny- has a friend that occasionally drops in on our breaks. She works at the other thrift store down the road. In front of all the other girls she called me a man in a dress. She said a terrible amount of transphobic hateful crap, and none of my chicks said shit. It destroyed me. i cried so hard my nose bled and i feel so ashamed. I feel so small. It made me feel like they all think that way of me. My manager sent me home because I couldnt stop crying. Fuuuuuuck."

Meme - "Being an ally to my local trans community
>be me based Igbt ally
>Live in very left wing college town
>Start flirting with a local cis straight girl I just met
>tell her "wow you pass really well you"
>looking hurt she says "what do you mean"
>Tell her I think she's really brave going out
>She tells me she's not trans
>I tell her I think she should be proud of who she is
>Girl starts screaming and shouting at me
>Tell her not to take her anger out on me because I'm a Igbt ally
Have done this dozens of times. Specifically target shitlib women because I enjoy the cognitive dissonance between them saying there's nothing wrong with being trans and them acting like I've just given them the greatest insult of their lives. I would never do this to an ugly woman though because that would be too cruel. Thoughts guys?"

Meme - Rachael Wong @RachaelWongAus: "You couldn’t make this insanity up if you tried.  Last week, Western Australia Labor Premier @RogerCookMLA  said, “No government is doing more than my Government in relation to family and domestic violence.”  This week, his @walabor  government is trying to pass a law that will allow men to change their legal sex to female, and self-identify into female-only spaces, like bathrooms and refuges.  Here is the Premier on the day the Bill was introduced, pictured with WA Attorney General John Quigley, alongside the bill’s poster boy, Dani (Dean) Laidley.  Laidley is a man who identifies as a woman, who pleaded guilty to stalking his ex-girlfriend and breaching a family violence order, and who reportedly called her a “slut” and a “c*nt” and threatened to run her down in his car.   They are literally using a man who terrorised a woman, to promote a law that will be exploited by predatory men, during a time where there is national outrage about violence against women in this country.   Well, where is the outrage now?  #NoToSelfID #SexMatters #WApol"
Roger Cook: "This week, we introduced legislation to WA Parliament to abolish the Gender Reassignment Board. I want to thank Dylan Green from TransFolk of WA, and Danielle Laidley, who joined me to announce this important piece of legislation."

Meme - "Mother transitions her child at 3 and a half years old. Anyone telling her to stop abusing her kid gets banned"
"Enby 10yo Hormone Questions
My kiddo transitioned to female at 3 5, but then realized they were non-binary at age 8. They still present as a tomboyish female, and have said they'd prefer female puberty, since they have to choose But they don't feel female, they feel very strongly non-binary, and very NOT male I'd appreciate any insight into post -blocker options for similar kids Is there an estrogen -light approach? Where can we learn more?"
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Squidia-anne MOD: "This is not r/conspiracytheories I think you may be lost"a>

Meme - Jesse Singal @jessesingal: "The Onion has been bad for awhile but it hit a real nadir when it literally just took Things People Were Screaming On Twitter and pretended they were funny. What percentage of the world would have any idea what this was even about?"
"It Is Journalism's Sacred Duty To Endanger The Lives Of As Many Trans People As Possible"

Meme - Hazel Appleyard @HazelAppleyard_: "OH DEAR LORD. 🤮   Bloke shows up to his child’s daycare in a MINI SKIRT, flashes his gentleman vegetables, and throws a tantrum calling the director a b-got for not wanting a man in a miniskirt in their daycare.   They really will push and push and push every single social boundary to the point where it is d!sgusting."
"r/TransLater
genital scrutiny at my child's daycare
TRIGGER WARNING
 i'm kinda spinning out right now. i just received a message informing me that another parent at my child's daycare complained that i wore a miniskirt, bent over, and that my "goods" were hanging out.  thing is, i'm tiny, i tuck obsessively, and the skirt is a sports skirt with built in shorts that are the same length as the skirt, which is past mid-thigh. so there is zero chance anyone saw the hen or her eggs. but this message has me super triggered because it means that not only was a parent staring at my genitals, but imagining seeing them sufficiently to complain. and the director is catering to this repulsive fixation.  the message included a reference to a policy against daisy dukes, crop tops, and asks for knee length skirts. thing is, i had been changing into athletic wear after drop off because i thought there might be a modesty culture here. but after seeing at least 3 other women with shorter than knee length skirts, i stopped bothering.  so this "policy" is not being implemented universally and definitely feels targeted and i get the impression the director is pretty bigoted. i didn't have any issues at all with the daycare until i met her on like week 3. (short mom signed him up here)  anyway i am going to look for a better daycare, but i needed to vent i guess. thanks for reading."

Meme - Hazel Appleyard @HazelAppleyard_: "It’s funny how they have to draw these little cartoons because this would never ever happen in real life"
Hot guy: "Trap?! I don't care, you're still hot!"

Opinion | American psychiatrists turn a blind eye to science on trans kids - The Washington Post (aka "Psychiatrists learned the wrong lesson from the gay rights movement") - "In 1974, the science lined up neatly with the demands of gay rights activists. But today, the science of pediatric gender medicine is uncertain, so it doesn’t back the cause the of groups leading the contemporary LGBTQ civil rights movement in the United States. GLAAD has gone so far as to insist that “the science is settled” regarding pediatric gender transition. It is not. In fact, the field of pediatric gender medicine is woefully compromised by a critical lack of quality research. Evidence-based-medicine experts insist that we simply do not know whether gender-transition treatment is safe and effective for minors. Understandably, APA leaders — and other empathetic everyday people — are wary of repeating the mistakes of the past and are inclined to stand with LGBTQ advocates, particularly as conservative groups fight for all manner of restrictive laws that target kids who identify as transgender... It is not a betrayal of gender-distressed young people’s complex needs to demand the highest possible quality of evidence to determine whether prescribing them medications that could rob them of their fertility and sexual function are in their best interest. It is the APA’s responsibility, free from ideology or politics, to make such demands — which are, in fact, in service of these young people’s well-being... The APA has been notably silent on a landmark report published last month that was commissioned by the British National Health Service. Called the Cass Review, it concluded that pediatric gender-transition treatment is based on “remarkably weak evidence.” The report is supported by seven independently conducted systematic literature reviews — the gold standard of scientific evidence. Their findings were in line with those of six previous such reviews, conducted by European and North American investigators and published since 2019. The program for the 2024 APA annual meeting lists only one panel that touches on pediatric gender-transition treatment, titled “Channeling Your Passion and ‘Inner Outrage’ by Promoting Public Policy for Evidence-Based Transgender Care.” The panel notably includes Jack Turban, a University of California at San Francisco child psychiatrist and a vocal supporter of broad access to gender-transition treatment. This week, he lashed out at the Cass Review on X and asserted that the associated literature reviews “scored some of the studies incorrectly.” Turban didn’t mention the reviews deemed a few of his own widely referenced papers to be low quality. The APA’s meeting has a proud history of transforming open debate over LGBTQ-related research and care and should do the same for trans-identifying kids. This should include asking themselves whether LGBTQ activism that once enhanced the understanding of science about this population is now clouding it... I asked APA President Petros Levounis, who like me is a gay man, if the organization was taking into consideration the recent review papers on pediatric gender medicine. “We do look very closely to international research,” Levounis, a psychiatrist, told me. “But this is something that has to also come through U.S. channels before we finalize our opinion.”"
On Twitter he said (now deleted) that he got a lot of ad hominem attacks, which were the lowest rung on the hierarchy of disagreement
Clearly Science works differently in the US. So European research on other things like climate change, trans fats and astronomy must be ignored since the laws of nature work differently in the US

Meme - Moti Gorin @GorinMoti: "I've opposed legislative bans on pediatric medical transition. I think the approach can be counterproductive, for one. However, when I read what leading US clinicians in positions of real power say, I start to second guess myself. This article provides many examples. Here's one:"
"Carl Streed, the research lead for the GenderCare Center at Boston Medical Center and president of the US Professional Association for Transgender Health, clarifies that just because a study is classified as "low-quality" in the report does not mean the data is not robust or rigorous. "It doesn't actually mean the evidence itself is not to be trusted," he explains. "It is just that you have to understand the nuance of the methods to understand the context of the results.""
"Low- quality (or low- certainty) does in fact mean that you cannot trust the results very much. The whole point of grading studies is to determine how confident we can be that they show what they purport to show. The assessment of the methods and the context is part of the grading. As a person of the left it genuinely pains me to see blatant misinformation published in Mother Jones. These doctors are either ignorant of the basics of evidence-based medicine or they have judged that the value of their ends justifies dissembling."
"From motherjones.com: The UK's new study on gender affirming care misses the mark in so many ways"
"I mean look at this. The point of the Cass review and the systematic reviews on which it was largely based was to establish whether or not the interventions in question are "medically necessary evidence-based care." This response just glaringly, painfully begs the question."
"More broadly, Keuroghlian and McNamara both argue that Cass' conclusions undermining the observational studies is itself a form of bias. "The review's conclusions are discriminatory," says Keuroghlian. "It's an intentional misapplication of science to deny a minoritized group access to medically necessary evidence-based care." "Any deviation from basic principles of evidence- based medicine suggests bias," says McNamara."
"What is McNamara talking about? Surely she's aware of the EBM evidence pyramid, with systematic reviews at the top? But here she seems to be claiming that the conclusions of these reviews "deviate" from EBM? Here's an idea: conduct a decent study showing the results you claim."

There is no such thing as a ‘trans lesbian’ - "Now the United Nations is gaslighting lesbians. This week, the UN’s gender-equality organisation, UN Women, seized upon International Lesbian Day to admonish us. ‘Remember’, it declared in a post on X (formerly Twitter), ‘trans lesbians are lesbians, too’... We recently learned that a third of the UK population think that ‘transgender women’ were born female, rather than male. Or at least, they aren’t sure whether transwomen were born male or female.   To be clear, the ‘trans lesbians’ the UN refers to are men who self-identify as women and who are attracted to women. In other words, they are heterosexual men. The vast majority of them remain physically intact as males. For a supposed women’s organisation to declare that these men can be lesbians really is gaslighting on a grand scale. Back in the 1970s, when I told people I was a lesbian, men would often smirk and say they ‘felt like a lesbian inside’. It was a crude, unfunny joke. Today, the men who say this are no longer joking. They are laying claim to an experience that is not theirs. Some even go as far as to invade female-only spaces and prey on lesbians, as happened earlier this year with Jenny Watson. Jenny had been running a highly successful lesbian speed-dating event at a central London pub. The event was a fixture in the local lesbian calendar. It had resulted in countless dates, at least two marriages and an enormous amount of fun.   Men had occasionally attended these events and, since Jenny is a progressive person with lots of trans friends, she didn’t make a fuss about it. It was only after two male attendees behaved in a predatory fashion that Jenny made it explicit that the event is for females only. That prompted activists to complain and led the pub’s new manager to ban the events for not being ‘inclusive’. Thankfully, Jenny managed to fight back with the support of LGB Alliance, of which I am a co-founder. Jenny went all the way to the top and told the pub’s owners that the manager was in breach of the UK’s Equality Act 2010. What many people don’t understand is that the Equality Act explicitly allows for the exclusion of people according to their sex, as long as it’s a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Excluding men from a lesbian dating event might well be the archetypal legitimate exclusion.   When proper boundaries are not enforced, we see women’s spaces being assaulted, women’s sport being undermined, female prisoners being exposed to danger, and the dignity and agency of women and girls being placed under threat. All of this is happening under the guise of ‘trans inclusion’.  The rest of society will eventually realise what many of us lesbians did decades ago – namely, that lesbians represent the ultimate insult to male vanity. The whole point of lesbianism is that we gain our sexual and emotional pleasure from, and forge our deepest bonds with, other women. Some of us are old dykes, invisible and happily uninteresting to the male gaze. But young lesbians bear the brunt of men’s frustration and aggression at being excluded from their sex lives. That helps explain some of the hideous threats that Jenny has received.   Yet this is not just about men’s sexual frustrations. Those spreading the false doctrine of gender identity are currently in positions of power."

No, United Nations. 'Trans lesbians' are not lesbians - "This last decade in particular has seen a growth in totally made up identities that allow the most boring of individuals to be included in the queer rainbow flag. Somebody who is questioning their sexuality for example; or a person who decides they don’t have any romantic feelings towards another, who is now an ‘aromantic’, or ‘asexual’. These are now included on the ever-growing acronym LGBTQQIA2S+++ which currently more resembles an unbreakable WiFi code than a ‘community’. I was still at school when I was outed as a lesbian and was bullied relentlessly and called the worst of names. I was told I was a freak, asked if I ‘fancied’ all the girls in my class, and was excluded from babysitting in case I ‘infected’ the kids with my perversion.  In the late 1970s, when I left home and was living with a girlfriend, I was physically attacked, my front door graffitied, and sacked from my job, all because of prejudice towards lesbians.   I have been asked a number of times by male passers-by when walking home from a night out with a girlfriend if I would be happy to put on a lesbian sex show for their benefit.  Those that attack, abuse and threaten are, of course, straight men. But now some appear to believe that they can opt into a lesbian identity, despite the fact that they retain all of their male privilege and genitalia.  For these men, lesbians are nothing but a fantasy and a sex toy. The fact that they have now been legitimised by UN Women is sickening."

Meme - Jonathan Kay: "Ontario court system"
"Ontario Court of Justice. Notice to the Profession and Public. Pronouns for Lawyers and Parties. At the beginning of any in-person, virtual or hybrid hearings, when lawyers are introducing themselves, their client, a witness or another individual, they should provide the judge or justice of the peace with each person's name, title (e.g. Mr., Mrs., Mx., Counsel "X") and pronouns to be used in the hearing. If counsel does not provide this information in their introduction, they may be invited by a court clerk to provide this information. At the beginning of each court session, court clerks have been asked by Court Services Division to announce that parties appearing before the court are invited to provide their title and pronouns to the court.
Sharon Nicklas
Chief Justice
Ontario Court of Justice"
Ontario Court of Justice @OntarioOn: "The Ontario Court of Justice has issued a notice to the profession and the public regarding pronouns for lawyers and parties. Read more:"

Meme - "Drag Performance and Panel Discussion. May 17 at 7:30 pm - 9:30 .pm Drag as Decolonial and Anti-Racist Resistance. Join us for a drag performance and academic panel held off-campus at the historic Laurel Packinghouse in the entertainment district in Kelowna. Highlighting the importance of drag as an underexplored site of decolonial and anti-racist resistance and creativity in late capitalism, the event will showcase the contributions of queer of colour performers who are mobilizing the aesthetic dimensions of drag to critique white settler racism and colonialism."

Meme - Lisa's Presentation: Remember, you can't use reason and logic with people that don't know the difference between a boy and a girl."

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