Monday, August 21, 2023

Links - 21st August 2023 (1 - #MeToo)

Richard Hanania on Twitter - "This is funny. In Japan, a woman starts a relationship with her professor when she was 23. She then claims this was “grooming,” tries to MeToo him. The man’s wife sues her for adultery, wins $20K. NYT shocked at a country that treats women like adults... “Ms. Sano sent him affectionate notes and accompanied him on trips to France, Italy and Spain, both while she was under his supervision and after graduation.”  What a poor, poor victim, this woman in her mid-20s who got taken on European vacations. The “victim” goes and tells the man’s wife.  The wife says if she’s the victim why did she continue the relationship for so long, and files her lawsuit."

rajvi on Twitter - "I was talking to a female friend and she was telling me how lonely it is for her to be working with only men in her team because they all maintain a respectful distance from her as they dont want to come off as creeps, not realising it’s completely isolating."
Steve Cramer on Twitter - "At work I completely avoid women. I can tell they want to talk to me. But I don't even look at them. The work environment feels hostile. I used to talk to women all the time at work. I no longer feel comfortable. If they wanna talk they have to come to me."
Pizza πŸ• on Twitter - "This is actually evidence that majority men are not creeps, but due to skewed harassment laws and a few women wanting to take advantage, the entire interaction environment between men and women has gotten messed up. Hope the society heals from this!"
The Hillbilly Analyst on Twitter - "I do not hug or touch my coworkers at all. I do not compliment their appearance. I do not make jokes that reference sex in any way. I do not open doors unless their hands are clearly full and it’s necessary. I do not buy individual gifts. Which is a shame, because I would like to do most of those - but Idk how they would be taken, so I don’t. It’s not worth losing my job - or worse, my freedom. But in some ways, I feel like I already have."

BBC Radio 4 - Best of Today, Interview: Cate Blanchett - "‘I don't think you could have talked about the, the corrupting nature of power in as nuanced a way as Todd field has done as a filmmaker if there was a male at the, at the center of it because we understand so absolutely what that looks like and I think that power is a corrupting force no matter what one's gender is. I think it's, it it um, it affects all of us’  
‘And you'll know the criticism of the film that's been made by Marin Alsop, herself a very famous conductor and who people point out parallels. She's a very famous conductor in the United States. She's a lesbian, she has a relationship with somebody in an orchestra, they have a child together and she thinks the film is, is wrong’  
‘Wrong? I, look, I have the utmost respect for for Marin Alsop. She's a trailblazer of of a musician and a conductor and it's a very provocative film and it will elicit a lot of very strong responses for people. What Todd and I wanted to do was to create a really lively conversation so there's no right or wrong responses to work, works of art’...  
‘Let me put you what she said. She says there are so many men, actual documented men this film could have been based on but instead it puts a woman in the role but gives her all the attributes of those men. That feels anti-woman’  
‘I, yeah it's interesting. I mean she's entitled to her opinion absolutely but um it's a it's a meditation on power and power is genderless’"
Art is Wrong when it doesn't push the liberal agenda. Saying that women are or can be flawed is Anti-Woman

Meme - "r/Nicegirls
u/DimlyHarsh
But I'm a MANAGER, they have to like me.
So I have a very high position in my company, in senior management. But for some reason I am completely invisible to the men at work. At first I thought they were intimidated by me so I decided to engage but when I did I didn't see intimidation in their eyes, just complete indifference. So then I figured that men are just reticent now because of the metoo movement. But then I noticed that they're all knocking themselves out trying to talk to the cleaning lady. The cleaning lady!!! She barely even speaks English! This has really been getting to me, to the point that the last few times I've seen it I've had to stop myself from going over to them and saying something like, "You do realize she's a cleaning lady, and I'm Senior Management, right?" And this is why I say men are backwards. I know if I had a choice between a senior manager and the custodian, it's a no-brainer who I'd pick. So I have to know, is this a universal phenomenon? Or is it just the guys at my company who are backwards?"
The crowner is that she has an OnlyFans
Addendum: The rant was online in 2018, and the OF reddit account was started in 2022, so it's a different person

Married father of 7 claims he was fired from Google after rejecting advances of high-ranking female colleague - "Ryan Olohan said he was groped by Tiffany Miller at an upmarket Manhattan restaurant in December 2019, alleging that she told him she knew he liked Asian women, which she is, and that her marriage lacked “spice.” Miller, who is the director of Google’s programmatic media, allegedly complemented Olohan’s physique and touched his torso while they were at Fig & Olive during a company get-together... The former exec said he was wary of bringing up the incident to his colleagues at first because several of them were drunk at the time—and when he did, they dismissed Miller’s advances as “Tiffany being Tiffany”... Olohan, 48, then took his concerns to human resources, which did not take any action. The lawsuit stated that a representative from the department “openly admitted…that if the complaint was ‘in reverse’—a female accusing a white male of harassment—the complaint would certainly be escalated.”  Instead, Olohan claims, Miller retaliated following his complaint and reported him to HR for unspecified “microaggressions.”... "Even more disturbing is the overt sexism and racism in Mr. Olohan‘s efforts to blame others for his termination.” Two years after the first incident, Miller allegedly reprimanded Olohan while drunk at a Google event in December 2021—a situation that escalated to the extent that colleagues recommended she sit at the other end of the table.  Miller did apologize, the lawsuit states, but “although Google was aware that Miller’s continued harassment of Olohan stemmed from his rejection of her sexual advances, it again took no action.”  A further incident occurred in April 2022 during a company social event at a karaoke bar, when Miller once again verbally attacked Olohan while drunk, mocking him and reiterating that she knew he had a preference for Asian women with the prior knowledge that his wife is Asian. Olohan said he felt increasingly under pressure; his supervisor told him there were “obviously too many white guys” on his management team and in July he was allegedly encouraged to fire a male employee so he could be replaced by a woman.  Olohan was then fired by Google in August, after he’d spent 16 years at the company, for not being “inclusive.” He claims that Google’s Employee Investigations Team said he’d expressed favoritism toward high-performing employees, and that he was “ableist” because he’d made comments on colleagues’ “walking pace.”"
Should we believe women when they are the ones accused of sexual harassment?
If a woman is a harasser who is a "minority", a man reporting her is sexist and racist

Meme - "A colleague at work (27m) of 1 year refuses to socialise with me (24f) or any of the women in our office.
Hi all I'm posting this on an alt because I know a few of my friends are following me on here and I don't want this spilling out until I have some clear thoughts on what I want to do. TL,DR; A colleague (27m) joined our firm last year and since then he has had zero issues socialising with the guys we work with but always finds an excuse or says no to hanging out with the girls after work, even if we go out together as a whole he rarely talks to us and its making some of my friends uncomfortable. So early last year our firm hired Dan (27M). In the first few weeks he was really quiet and didn't talk much and that's just how we thought he was. Every conversation with him was short and to the point and never deviated from work, asides from pleasantries (Have a nice weekend etc). About 2 months in he started becoming a bit more friendly with the guys in our office and they would hang out every so often and have normal conversations. However, whenever any of the girls in the office tried to do so he would quickly change the conversation back to work or just not reply. Even now after a year of Dan working with us he straight up refuses to socialise with the girls in the office and it is making them feel uncomfortable. He avoids any discussion of himself outside of work related events and future plans and doesn't ask any of the girls either. Where as he is, what I can only assume, pretty good friends with the guys in the office. Even on work meals out to celebrate events he is only doing the bare minimum when it comes to conversation with the girls where again with the guys he talks to them like there is no problem whatsoever. I don't know if I'm overreacting but one of the girls is considering go to HR about this because she is saying its creating a hostile work environment. Dan treats us like he treats clients we work with; cordial and strictly about business and its wearing thin now. Any advice is appreciated."
When you get what you asked for but you're still upset

The Christian Roots of #MeToo - "Mike Pompeo and William Barr both came under attack this week for speeches on religion. The secretary of state’s talk, delivered on Oct. 11 to the Association of Christian Counselors, was titled “Being a Christian Leader.” The same day, the attorney general addressed the Notre Dame Law School on the dangers of “militant” secularism. These displays of piety from members of the president’s cabinet startled many cosmopolitan observers. Historian Tom Holland was not among them. He argues that the increasingly secular West remains as locked into Christian assumptions as it has ever been—and that Christianity is the most revolutionary cultural force in history...  In contrast with some of his cabinet members, President Trump is not a pious man. Mr. Holland calls him “easily the least Christian president that the U.S. has ever had.” Yet some of his most loyal supporters are evangelical Protestants. In March the Christian Broadcasting Network asked Mr. Pompeo if he thought Mr. Trump had “been raised” like the biblical Queen Esther “to help save the Jewish people from the Iranian menace.” Mr. Pompeo’s answer: “As a Christian, I certainly believe that’s possible.”Mr. Holland has two explanations for this evangelical enthusiasm for Mr. Trump. The first is their sense that the U.S. is becoming a godless nation: “Roiled by issues that seem to them not just unbiblical but directly antithetical to God’s purposes—abortion, gay marriage, transgender rights—they’re willing to hold their noses and back a man who, porn stars notwithstanding, has unblushingly cast himself as the standard-bearer for Christian values.”Second, Christians “have always seen a tracing of God’s finger in the events of the world.” Mr. Pompeo’s language, Mr. Holland says, “is marinated in a distinctively Protestant take on world affairs that wouldn’t have been unfamiliar to Oliver Cromwell. ”... Mr. Pompeo’s beliefs are rooted in a “distinctively biblical understanding that history isn’t just one damn thing after another—that God’s purpose is manifest in the rise and fall of empires.”All this, Mr. Holland says, fuels the left’s contempt for evangelical Christians. But in a country “as saturated by Christian assumptions as the United States,” he says, “America’s culture wars are less a war against Christianity than a war between Christian factions.” Progressives, after all, often insist they’re on the right side of history... In 2012 he published “In the Shadow of the Sword,” about the origins of Islam, in which he argues that much of what Muslims have traditionally believed about Muhammad and the Quran were myths. A British TV movie based on the book prompted death threats from Salafists.A book on Christianity is unlikely to imperil his life in quite the same way. But it may make him unpopular with the left—particularly his contention that the #MeToo movement is inherently Christian.“#MeToo would not have any impact—would have no resonance,” Mr. Holland says, “if it were not culturally taken for granted that men do not have the right to force themselves on their inferiors. This is a cultural given in the United States, that men do not have this right.”It is, however, “a very, very culturally distinctive assumption.” In ancient Rome, for instance, “the essence of being a male citizen was that you had the right to penetrate pretty much anyone who was not a citizen, or the wife of a citizen, or the chattel of a citizen.” In that world, the “sexual binary” was not between men and women but between those who had power and those who lacked it.Christianity changed sexual morality altogether, beginning with St. Paul... Paul made sex “the focus of his anxieties.” The Old Testament condemns men sleeping with men, but not women sleeping with women. The categorical notion that homosexuality is wrong doesn’t appear in Jewish scripture, or in Greek or Roman literature or law. “It’s something that Paul comes up with,” Mr. Holland says, “in a throwaway comment in his Letter to the Romans.”... the 1960s in America, where Martin Luther King invokes the traditions of American Protestantism by “summoning white American Protestants to a recognition of their own faults, because fundamental to Christianity is that all humans are created equal in the image of God.”The civil-rights movement was deeply and overtly Christian—but as the movement for rights expanded to include women and gay people, Mr. Holland says, it became “divorced from Christian Protestant doctrine because of a tension with traditional Christian teaching.” Gay-rights activists and feminists “can’t and won’t do what King had done, which is to speak to American Protestants in the language of prophecy”... “both sides were indebted to Christian assumptions.” As a Christian may speak of being awakened, a progressive describes himself as “woke”"

BBC Radio 4 - From Our Own Correspondent Podcast, Al-Shabab's Defectors - "[On interviewing celebrities] A PR with a stopwatch sits in or just outside the room, but usually within earshot. On more than one occasion, I've had a publicist interrupt my interview to tell me that my question is off topic. In other words, you can talk about the movie or the TV show that the actor is promoting, but nothing else. I went into arts journalism relatively late in my career. I spent my formative years as a journalist covering politics, disasters, wars, riots and revolutions. I was trained to hold those in power to account. But that never happens in the film industry. The powerful people, usually old white men who make the decisions, the Big Shot producers like Harvey Weinstein, rarely put themselves forward for anything other than an off the record briefing with a few compliant journalists. Instead, they dangle the talent in front of the media, knowing that newspapers, magazines and TV breakfast shows jump at the opportunity of having a celebrity on the cover or in the headlines. As for the actors, well they're being paid as part of their contract to promote the film in question. So of course they're not going to dish the dirt on their paymasters, it would ruin their careers. Lots of specialist film magazines depend on advertising from the big studios and distributors, so they're not gonna rock the boat either. And then there's the question of access. If you don't play the game, ask the wrong questions, write about scandals, you won't get to interview the movie stars. Don't get me wrong. I've really enjoyed meeting a number of Hollywood A listers over the years, but I am acutely aware of being a pawn in a huge publicity machine. Harvey Weinstein was known to be a past master at getting Oscar wins for his movies. Because he knew how to get the attention. He would hold glamorous parties on yachts in Cannes or Venice. On the invitation list were film stars, Academy voters and compliant journalists. Someone once did an analysis of how many times the disgraced film producer was personally thanked or praised in Academy Award speeches between 1993 and 2018 and found that Weinstein's name came up more than God. For those journalists who dared cross him, there was retribution. Rebecca Traister wrote about how as a young reporter she and her colleague Andrew Goldman were attacked by Weinstein at a party for asking a question he didn't like... He then grabbed her colleague, Goldman in a headlock, pushed him out the doors of a New York Hotel in full view of the paparazzi, and nobody ever published a photograph of the incident"
Luckily the correspondent didn't fall into #MeToo sanctimony and hypocrisy. This is actually a great critique of the media

Rose McGowan claims Bill Maher whispered crude comment - ""I was on your show Politically Incorrect in the late 90s — as the show returned from a commercial break, you leaned over to me & whispered in my ear, 'my parents didn't give me a good face, but they did give me a huge c***,'" McGowan wrote. "I could feel your hot breath on my ear as an image of both your hideous face & alleged big c*** flashed in my mind. Both turned my stomach. I've always wondered what you say & do to the girls that aren't famous?"... McGowan's accusation appears to be in response to comments made about Tara Reade by Maher on his HBO show that aired a few hours before her tweet. On Friday night's Real Time episode, Maher questioned the legitimacy of Reade's allegations against presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden."I'm not saying why not 27 years ago. I understand it can take victims years to come forward," Maher said. "I'm saying, why not before Super Tuesday? Why not last fall when we still had a dozen other candidates to choose from? Why wait until Biden is our only hope against Trump and then take him down?""You waited 27 years," Maher continued. "You think it couldn't wait a few more months? That's what I'd like to ask Ms. Reade. Why now?""
How low can the bar go?

Kyn 🏽🏾🏿 on Twitter - "Men don’t chase enough anymore."

The Next Step for #MeToo Is Into the Gray Areas - "Multiple women, though, say that Smith’s public persona doesn’t square with his behavior toward them. In a series of individual conversations with Jezebel, they have painted a picture of someone whose behavior is in sharp contrast to what would be expected of a fierce public advocate for progressive politics... the accusations highlight the aforementioned lesser-explored aspect of #MeToo—what victims and advocates are to do when the specifics of an interaction are not illegal yet are aggressive, unwanted, and/or inequitable. Should behavior that may have, in the past, been written off as bad sex—or as bad actors as simply “caddish”—be socially or morally acceptable? Nearly one year on from the mainstreaming of the #MeToo movement, these complex questions are starting to be scrutinized by a wider audience... She says they broke up that same year but continued having a sexual relationship for roughly three years afterwards. She says that their interactions consisted primarily of forceful sex, which she now identifies as “coercive,” and that he employed tactics of control and manipulation, including an unwillingness to have sex with her unless she wore a specific eye makeup. (“I would be forced to put that makeup on before anything happened between us,” she tells Jezebel.)  “I would realize a day later, ‘Oh, no, I was not consenting to that’,” Kay says. “Because you’ve consented to being in a relationship with this person, you say that you love them, you try to do things to make the relationship better, and then this happens to you... It goes back to this whole thing where it’s legally hard to believe women.”"
When feminists are very open about their agenda to steadily ramp up control of men
No means no. Yes also means no.
Also, male feminists strike again

Meme - Sharon Godwin: "After 2 months of talking, I told this guy yesterday that I wasn't ready for a relationship and he responded "it's been great, hope you have a good one." And then he blocked me. No effort, no pressure applied. I'm devastated"
"You're devastated because he respected your decision
??? ???"
When a lady says no, she means...

Opinion | ‘Believe All Women’ Is a Right-Wing Trap - The New York Times - "Spend some mind-numbing hours tracking the origins of “Believe All Women” on social media sites and news databases — as I did — and you’ll discover how language, like a virus, can mutate overnight. All of a sudden, yesterday’s quotes suffer the insertion of some foreign DNA that makes them easy to weaponize. In this case, that foreign intrusion is a word: “all.”"

Before a woman accused Joe Biden, feminists most certainly did say ‘believe all women’

Elizabeth Thorp on Twitter - "Cue @gop @senatemajldr smear campaigns to demean women who have survived assault in 3, 2, 1...... #Kavanaugh #BelieveAllWomen #BelieveSurviors"
Katherine Clark on Twitter - "Democracy in action. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ#WeBelieveChristine #BelieveAllWomen"
Carolyn B. Maloney on Twitter - "We stand with Dr. Christine Blasey Ford, Deborah Ramirez, & Julie Swetnick. #BelieveAllWomen @HouseDemocrats @NancyPelosi"
ERA Coalition on Twitter - "A year later we look back at the #MeToo movement and the 201 powerful men who lost their jobs and the women who replaced them https://t.co/yDbdjp0etz @nytimes #BelieveAllWomen #BelieveSurvivors"
Meme - Julie Zeilinger @juliezeilinger: "Perpetrators can have friends who are women, not violate them, and also violate other women. These things are not mutually exclusive. Just a reminder because apparently we are still not clear on this. ##BelieveSurviors #BelieveAllWomen #KavanaughFord"
Tara Slone on Twitter - "I BELIEVE HER. I BELIEVE WOMEN. #BelieveAllWomen #StopKanavaugh #MeToo"
This won't stop the liberals gaslighting about how no one ever said "Believe All Women" (I've seen several examples in the wild myself). These all have blue check marks too and several have clear feminist credentials

Meme - Jill Filipovic: "This from Susan Faludi is so important. Feminists never said "believe all women" - the right inserted the "all." Feminists said "believe women": that is, start with the assumption that women are telling the truth instead of teflexively doubting them."

John Osterhoudt on Twitter - "THREAD WITH RECEIPTS: #BelieveAllWomen absolutely was a popular hashtag during the Kavanaugh fiasco. I will not let this be memory-holed. Don't fall for these outright lies."

The #MeToo Balancing Act in High School - The New York Times - "At some point in the discussion, some of his classmates asked questions, including one that challenged the “double standard” where girls could hit boys but “boys weren’t supposed to hit back to defend themselves,” said Chris, who, like others in this article, did not want his last name used because he feared online and offline retribution. “They were shut down,” he said. “The girls kept saying that they shouldn’t have to answer any questions,” because the boys should already know... he and a few friends asked questions about girls’ roles in the murky landscape of dating and sexual consent that were met with “furious resentment.” Angus said he had asked why girls were allowed to “touch and kiss us without asking.” He said he and his friends were told to leave. “We had questions the girls wouldn’t answer. They said we should have known the answers,” Angus told me. “Did the girls and administrators really think that shaming us would suddenly change the way we think?” Then he asked something I’ve heard many times in my research: “How are we supposed to understand if no one will answer our questions?”... some boys and young men have also told me that they are worried about what the movement means for them. They feel their voices have been silenced in conversations around gender and they struggle to navigate damaging perceptions about masculinity, particularly in the realm of dating... “I have friends, girls, who want the guy to be the sexual initiator, to be ‘the man,’ like in movies,” Jaden, a high school junior in Alexandria, Va., said. He said these are the same girls who, if a guy asks if he can kiss them, say: ‘That’s so lame. Why would you ask that?’”  Jaden said that he and his male friends want to be “absolutely respectful” of girls’ boundaries, but they also want to be “taken seriously” by the ones who expect them to behave in a stereotypically masculine way. In addition to deciphering this riddle, boys fear that one wrong move could ruin their present and future reputations in this age of swift, devastating social media justice, especially since many college admissions officers scan social media for black marks on candidates’ cyber-presence. “Dating is just a huge scary maze,” Jaden said, adding that many of his friends have sworn off romantic entanglements for now... “they are yoked with normative masculine expectations from both males and females.”  Chris, a 25-year-old Duke University graduate student, says he often tries to “find a resolution or common ground with friends when tension arises.” But he has found that any time an issue around gender arises and his “question to a female friend comes out the wrong way or is perceived differently than intended,” then the “conversation is immediately shut down.” When he was discussing a fellow male student from Colombia with female friends, all of whom are in the same program, Chris said that the women complained about how flirtatious and romantically direct the young man was with some of them.  “I brought up that maybe we need to not be so critical without considering his cultural norms,” Chris said, who said he was trying to find a middle ground when discussing a colleague they all knew. “I was accused of being a ‘misogynist’ or of defending harassing women. A circle firing squad occurred immediately.”  Chris said that the one other man who was part of the conversation later admitted to him, “I was thinking the same thing, but I didn’t want to get ganged up on.” Consequently, Chris said that he had recently decided to step back from some of his friendships with women. He is not as open with them as he used to be, “because conversations around gender have become stifling,” he said. “Anything you defend when it comes to men leads to you being lumped in with bad masculinity.” Some young women said they have noticed a self-imposed distance from some of the men in their lives.  Jess, 21, who works at a Starbucks in Baltimore said that a male co-worker negotiates their frenetic work space with his hands raised. “He’s afraid of being accused of inappropriately touching anyone”... Nicole, a senior at Towson University, said that her brother, 20, walks through crowded parties with his hands on his chest for the same reason."
Silly boys. They are only supposed to speak out to support women, and they must shut up and listen, and educate themselves. And if they opt out and become MGTOW, feminists will mock them for not trying hard enough
Weird. We are told that "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean all masculinity is toxic

Google And Facebook Roll Out New #MeToo-Inspired Dating Rules For Employees - "As Business Insider points out, a recent survey found that 41% of people have dated a fellow co-worker and nearly a third of those relationships resulted in marriage. While there’s no survey yet to give us any sense of the fallout from Google and Facebook’s new policies, it’d be a safe guess that those percentages will soon go down at both companies.  Both tech giants now only allow employees to ask out their colleagues one time. If they are turned down, they cannot ask again. What constitutes being turned down? Facebook’s global head of employment law Heidi Swartz explained the rule to the Journal: Even “ambiguous” responses to being asked out, like “I’m busy” or “I can’t that night” are counted as a “no” by the higher-ups at the social media platform.  Another new rule: While Facebook employees do not have to report all relationships to human resources, even those involving someone in a more senior position, they do have to report relationships that might somehow pose a “conflict of interest.” If they don’t properly report relationships, they will face “disciplinary action.”  The new dating policies have drawn some instant criticism, including from those concerned with empowering women. National Review’s Heather Wilhelm underscores that the new rules feel “strangely Victorian” and risk infantilizing women... “[W]hat if you really are busy? What if you actually can’t that night, but would like to do it another time, but you forgot to add that part, or simply wanted to be asked again? What if you are a rare devotee of the slightly crazed 1990s dating handbook The Rules, and you refuse to accept a Saturday-night date after a Wednesday? What if you would like to present a sense of mystery or are slightly undecided? What if your impressions of the asker change over time? What if you date people only after they’ve proved their persistence…?”"

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